March 20th, 2008
The 10 Doctors - Page 85
Brigadier Winnifred Bambara watches the sky while the UNIT forces set up the weapons trained on the warehouse in accordance with the call-in from Sarah Jane Smith. She is approached by Captain Jack Harkness of Torchwood who engages her in a little traditional banter. Apparently these two have met before.
Suddenly Ms.Smith herself comes out of the warehouse with K9 and carrying a limp Romana between herself and Jamie. Captain Jack agrees to help her get the woman to the hospital.
(And this page reminds you, in case there was any doubt at all, that Rich doesn’t enjoy drawing backgrounds)
March 20th, 2008 at 10:23 pm
You’ll have to forgive my fangirlish squeeing, but the combination of a new page AND Captain Jack is just too much.
As always, I’m absolutely loving this piece! I can’t wait to see these dynamics play out.
March 20th, 2008 at 10:25 pm
This one nearly killed me to get out. Should have seen me searching for images of modern British army gear, vehicles and equipment, let alone trying to find decent pictures of Brigadier Bambara and Cap’n Jack.
Ah well.
And they still don’t look right.
Add to that the fact that I had about 3 or 4 false starts with it.
March 20th, 2008 at 10:35 pm
The weird thing is wen you started this we didn’t even now he was part of Torchwood.
March 20th, 2008 at 10:46 pm
Hehehehehehhehehe
Yeah, that’s pretty crazy hunh?
March 20th, 2008 at 10:51 pm
Captain Jack putting the moves on Jamie, ftw.
Hurray new page! Reference is terrible, but it does give you an excuse to watch, and perhaps screencap, the Torchwood episodes. n___n Haven’t seen all of season 1 yet…
March 20th, 2008 at 10:54 pm
Woohoo! Capt. Jack, Sarah Jane, Bambera, K9, Romana, and Jamie, all in a single scene! Could this strip get any more awesome?
The bit at the end puts me in mind of this marvellous pic.
Jack looks fine, btw. Might need a bit more of a chin, but you definitely got the hair right.
March 20th, 2008 at 10:55 pm
*laughs* me too, scion.
March 20th, 2008 at 11:21 pm
wulfae: It had to be done. And it had to be Jamie. How else could Jack be… y’know, JACK-LIKE and also chase a skirt?
scionofgrace: It’s a crazy character salad, ain’t it? And that is an excellent pic. Thank you for sharing that. Thanks for the vote of confidence. I’m sure, like the Doctors, the more I draw him the better he’ll get.
March 20th, 2008 at 11:23 pm
HUZZAH!!! A new page. And ol’ Captain Jack. Long live the Gorpo!
March 20th, 2008 at 11:24 pm
Bows humbly.
March 20th, 2008 at 11:26 pm
*has sudden fangirl moment* Ooh, Captain Jack.
Jack’s face is a little round, methinks, but if you draw lots and lots of story panels with him I’m sure he’ll get closer to the square-jawed look. *whistles nonchalantly*
I generally only check this comic in the mornings - I don’t know what possessed me to click this link tonight, but I’m damn glad I did. I’m going back for a re-read now.
Thanks, Rich.
BTW, I can totally buy Captain Jack putting the moves on Jamie - Jamie’s young and strong and pretty handsome in his own right…
One sentence per paragraph - sheesh, I shouldn’t type comments when it’s past my bedtime, apparently.
March 20th, 2008 at 11:28 pm
And of course, how could Captain Jack resist hitting on the cute young guy in the kilt…
(I’m pretty sure Jack knows the answer to that age old question, too…)
March 20th, 2008 at 11:30 pm
Heather: I’ve got two photos that I’ve been using for reference and in both he looks more round-faced than square jawed. He’s got a boyish look rather than a manly one. Still…. I’ll try a few variations and see what comes up best.
I used to only update them in the mornings, but I started to crave the instant gratification of all the comments. *grins*
RJO: Quite!
March 20th, 2008 at 11:30 pm
Is that vehicle in the first two panels meant to be the Torchwood SUV? It looks more like a van, with that snub nose. I hope you don’t take this the wrong way, Rich - I love your story and really appreciate the hard work you put into it - but did you have access to any Torchwood dvd’s for reference? It’s looking a bit like you’ve done the Torchwood elements from memory. Damn, I hate to sound critical. I’m not really being critical (and bear in mind it’s still past my bedtime), but you’re usually so spot-on with the dimensions of major objects and characters.
March 20th, 2008 at 11:32 pm
*blushes* Heather, you got me.
I’ve only seen the pilot of Torchwood and that was a long time ago. I knew including them would screw me up. *cries*
March 20th, 2008 at 11:35 pm
lol And you posted your reply before I wrote my next comment. (I promise I’ll stop hogging the comments area soon and go to bed, honest.) The limited photos for reference makes sense, then. Wanna borrow my Torchwood DVDs? ‘Course that’d only work if we’re in the same section of the country, which is unlikely. *pouts*
And can someone shoot Bambera before she says “Shame” too many more times? Death by cyberman is very ‘in’ this year.
Right, I mean it - off to bed with me before any more silliness ensues. Thanks for the late night pick-me-up.
March 21st, 2008 at 12:17 am
Well, if it’s any consolation. I could tell it was him (and not just cause of the shoulder boards).
Did the new Brig really say “Shame” THAT often? I’ll have to rewatch Battlefield. I think I liked her better as the alternate universe Lister.
Lethbridge-Stewart needs to come out of retirement again.
March 21st, 2008 at 12:19 am
I don’t know why, but I wasn’t expecting Captain Jack to show up at all. Lord almighty, any and every character is up for grabs in this thing, aren’t they? Who’s next, Jago and Litefoot?
March 21st, 2008 at 12:23 am
As long as I get more Nyssa, he could bring in the Sleestak, and I’d be fine.
March 21st, 2008 at 12:25 am
Don’t cry, Rich. I for one neither remember nor care about what the Torchwood van looks like. I stopped watching after Countrycide. Honestly! I endured an episode of POINTLESS GORE, for what? No aliens! No supernatural stuff! JUST CANNIBALS. Aren’t the regular police supposed to deal with regular homicidal maniacs? Why the heck did TORCHWOOD get involved? All that disgustingly graphic nonsense for nothing. Oh, wait, something else DID happen in that episode: Gwen and Owen got together. That puts it further in the negatives for more pointlessly random Torchwood sex. Ugh.
Yay for Sarah Jane instantly disliking Jack! Don’t get me wrong, I love Jack - or I used to, back when he wasn’t immortally emo - but he doesn’t really have the best…reputation, per say. I’m sure she’s aware of more than just his Torchwood records, what with her snooping skills… Jack must have been the Kirk of time travel.
March 21st, 2008 at 12:25 am
You can never have too much Nyssa…
March 21st, 2008 at 12:32 am
Captain Jack!!! Excuse me while I squeal like a fangirl.
Isn’t that just like him- flirting when there is danger afoot.
Although I can’t help but wonder, will the rest of the Torchwood team show up?
It would be great to see them, even if you have only seen the pilot. ^_^
March 21st, 2008 at 12:40 am
Jack can appreciate a kilt on a man, I know that.
March 21st, 2008 at 1:33 am
OH MY GOD. Jack. And Jamie. In the Same Back Seat. I now die of love and win.
March 21st, 2008 at 1:35 am
Well Cool Beans!!
Captain Jack Harkness… If he flirts with both Jamie and Sarah-Jane, that’d be just perfect…
So glad to see you’ve got a page up…
Part of each morning/very late night, includes checking for these Rich…
It is always a pleasant surprise to see a new one…
Please continue your brilliance sir…
March 21st, 2008 at 2:16 am
All I have to say about Jack and Jamie is that Jamie should run. Run far away. Or Jack should just be careful about how he flirts. Jamie could smash his face in.
Also I’m so thankful I watched a Sylvester Episode. I know who Winnie is and last I remember she was very interesting in a very nice Knight and h was interested in her.
March 21st, 2008 at 2:20 am
Sorry. I had a mess up. I ment to say “very interested”
March 21st, 2008 at 4:16 am
Don’t worry about the background or the Torchwood “van.” That’s just a tiny stupid detail and not even relevant to the story. I care more about the story and characters, personally.
Did they drive off in Sarah’s car?
March 21st, 2008 at 4:19 am
Jack hitting on Jamie. GOLD.
GOLD I TELL YOU.
But why the lack of familiarity with Torchwood Rich? You don’t watch it?
March 21st, 2008 at 4:45 am
Awesome! New page! And Jack has quickly become one of my favorite characters from the new series. You drew him well! And he knows how to treat a Time Lady (medically), right?
And is K9 the one who said “Charmed”?
March 21st, 2008 at 5:07 am
JAAAAAAAAAACK! WOOOOOOOOOOOO! *ahem*
I was wondering when you were gonna put Cap’n Jack in this thing. And please tell me he isn’t gonna hit on Jamie. XD
March 21st, 2008 at 5:09 am
Thanks for another page! Most excellent to see Captain Jack Harkness, THE best companion of all-time, enter the fray! Bitchin’, too, to see Brigadier Bambera again; does this mean we get a glimpse at time-displaced loverboy Knight Commander Ancelyn as well? And somebody suggested Litefoot and Jago … bwah ha ha!
(It WAS a joke, right?)
March 21st, 2008 at 5:12 am
Something missing here where the devil is the original Brigadere.
How can you leave him out!?
Oh well.
As for Jack going forjamie in anyway what the heck is that al about a guy can wear a skirt or kilt whathave you without any of that.
March 21st, 2008 at 5:21 am
And the rest of the original unit crew as well!
March 21st, 2008 at 5:23 am
Captain Jack!! Yay!!
Nothing with an orifice is safe…heh…!
March 21st, 2008 at 5:52 am
Still loving this, Rich. All kudos to you, man.
But the multiple plotlines are getting to be a bit hard to keep track of as they`re`s so many of them.
I keep having to go back and check up on who`s where to make sense of it all - not a criticism as such, `cos what you`ve created is brilliant and I love it but it`s something to be aware of.
Your fanwanky obsession with including just about every reference there is puts the late Craig Hinton to shame - it shouldn`t work but it does. It wonderfully, brilliantly does and I can`t get enough of it!
As far as the drawings themselves go, I don`t give a monkey`s if they look like who they`re meant to be or not if that stops us getting a new episode every week. Or at least every fortnight.
C`mon rich - regular updates, man! You`ve created the most fantastic monster here and your audience wants more!
March 21st, 2008 at 7:33 am
I love the idea that there’s a history between Jack and Brig. Bambera…very interesting. But poor Benton — hasn’t the man gotten a single promotion in 30 years?
March 21st, 2008 at 7:37 am
JACK!!
March 21st, 2008 at 7:48 am
I believe that’s Sergeant Zbrigniev, rather than Benton. It certainly looks like Zbrigniev, who was the Sergeant with Bambera in Battlefield. In fact, Benton was a Corporal when you first see him with Troughton and by the time of the fourth Doctor (in Robot), Benton had been promoted to Warrant Officer, so he had his share of promotions. Lethbridge-Stewart mentioned in Mawdryn Undead that Benton had retired and had become a used-car salesman.
March 21st, 2008 at 8:09 am
Jack and Jamie! I’m so excited! I’ve always wanted to see those two meet!
And Bambera is made of pure condensed win. I’ve always loved her. Thanks for the update!
March 21st, 2008 at 8:12 am
Ah-ha-ha-ha-ha! Hi Jack!
Rich: Barrowman does have a more defined chin, but still good to see him in this. I’m guessing that the old UNIT files are how Jack knows about Sarah???
Turnip: Ignore Countrycide, go watch the rest of season 1, then catch up with season 2. 2 is FAR better than 1.
March 21st, 2008 at 8:41 am
AAAAHHHH!! JACK!!!!
YAY!!!
I wish I’d seen some of the old episode with Bambara in them… I no nothing about him! Oh, just have to ask… is “shame!” his little catch phrase or something? I think he’s said it three times already.
Oh, and I like the way you’ve drawn Jack. I can’t think of how you could do him any better!
March 21st, 2008 at 8:42 am
And of course I meant her when I was talking of Bambara… my mistake…
March 21st, 2008 at 9:02 am
Heather: It’s okay, write and critique away! When/if I ever do fix it up for something other than my own amusement I’ll need to know where the problems are!
As for shooting Bambara for “shame!” I wish someone had thought of that in Battlefield. I wanted nothing more than for her to shut up.
Cappy the Shade: Aw, thanks, cap. And maybe she didn’t say it that often. But it sure felt like it. Lethbridge Stewart was way past retirement in Battlefield! I doubt he’d be much use here!
Vroom Socko: (Still lovin’ that name) Jago & Litefoot, eh? Hmm… *scribble scribble* Oh, and Humker and Tandrell…..*scribble scribble*
The Cap of Shadeyness: Sleestak!? I’m not doing crossover universes yet. Unless that’s a dig at the Silurians. In which case…
Turnip: *dabs tears* That’s very sweet of you. But it’s a bit of a matter of pride, really. I got the undisguised TARDISes, Drax’ caddy TARDIS, Davros’ eggcup chair… as much as psosible tied in to the source material.
Sarah Jane has more of a problem with Torchwood than with Jack. I’ve shown that she only knows him by name and reputation, so she hasn’t had a chance to really know whether she likes him personally or not.
Brig Bambara, however, clearly has no time for his crap.
Vroom Socko: Is that a challenge?
Kori: Um. Will the rest of the Torchwood Team show up. I’m considering it. But my knowledge of Torchwood is kind of lacking, since I’ve only seen the pilot and wasn’t all that impressed by the other-than-Jack cast.
I know it’s all part of the universe… but for that matter I could bring in Professor Quatermass and the entire staff of British Rocket Group. Which is an interesting idea… *scribble scribble*
Kara: No doubt!
Megan: No die! Must live to read on.
Sazzmo: Hehehe, he might. Aw, you flatter…
Lennie: Yes… the knight…
Nikki: I’m all about the tiny details though! Well, not the HUGE detail of backgrounds, perhaps, but fiddly things like people being able to say: “Look! He’s got the two different sonic screwdriver designs correct!” or “Even the accurate version of Peter Davison’s cricket sweater for the time frame he came from!” ….So to have gotten the van wrong makes me sulky. And yeah, that’s supposed to be Sarah’s car.
The Adventurer: Yay for gold! No, I don’t watch Torchwood. I watched the pilot, and was only kinda interested. I get really fed up with RTD’s blatant onscreen sexuality. I mean I’m all for showing some diversity and all that, but he kinda hits you in the face with it repeatedly. And, as I made clear in my Doctor Who critique earlier, I prefer less with the cheeseball sitcom romance and more with the cheeseball aliens lasers and spaceships and robots. So as I don’t have a lot of time to watch them in, I elected not to download all the Torchwood episodes. Lack of interest on my part. When I started THIS page is when I realized that it would become a problem for my comic. So, appologies if Torchwood is underrepresented in this story, but I needed Cap’n Jack and to at least acknowledge the other show.
Sean: We’ll see if he knows what to do with her. Truth is, at this point, he doesn’t even KNOW she’s not Human. Or does he? Oh and yest, that was K9 saying “Charmed.”
Nick: Sorry. Too late. He just did.
Os: THE best companion of all time? Hmmm… that’s a debate challenge if ever I heard one. I won’t be taking up the mantle on it at this point, but I’m expecting it to once the novelty of this page dies down. Good luck! As for Knight Commander Ancelyn… he probably wouldn’t have been permitted to join Bambara’s UNIT force, partly because he’s not modern British military trained, and partly because if he and Winnifred have a relationship, that’d be bad news for both concerned.
As for Jago and Litefoot, I’m afraid they’d both be loooong dead by the 21st century. But doesn’t mean they won’t show up later for some plot diversion reason.
Jay: The origional Bridgadier (or Brigadier Gordon Alistair Lethbridge-Stewart) has been referred to in the strip already. Where he is is very very retired and living at home with his wife Doris. That he hasn’t shown up in the comic *yet* means nothing, of course. But you’ll have to wait and see if he does or not.
Karanadon: Yergh. K9’s external ports just clenched shut.
Bryan McCormack: Thank you! Yes. It’s a bit spaghetti-like as far as plot is concerned, I agree. Thanks for the comparison to Mr.Hinton, I don’t know his work so much (I never really *took* to the New Adventures), but I’m sure it’s a great compliment!
Hahahah, I’m glad you don’t care so much about the likenesses, but it’s a point of pride of mine to get them to at least be recognizable. In context is easy, of course. Draw a guy with curly hair and a scarf with a police box behind him and it’s the Doctor. Draw a woman beside him and it’s GOT to be Sarah-Jane, Leela, Romana 1 or 2, Tegan or Nyssa. It’s just a case of checking the details. But to get them independantly recognizeable on their own merits is a lot harder.
Brian: Ah, as someone has already pointed out, Benton got promoted and has long since retired, going into used cars. (which the actor wasn’t thrilled about.) This is not meant to be Benton.
Camille: YUP!
Heather:Good catch! You get a gold star!
Kelly: You little Yenta you! Thank you!
John Wolfe: Yeah, the chin and jawline is where I’m having trouble. Working on it, thanks for the tip!
Jess: Yeah, “Shame!” is Bambara’s annoying catchphrase.
Aw, gowann! There’s always room for improvement. This is a prime example!
March 21st, 2008 at 9:51 am
*squeals*
Cap’n Jack!!!!
Thanks for the new page Rich!!!
March 21st, 2008 at 10:04 am
For whatever reason I don’t think I really expected to run into Jack in this so, combined with his appearance, and then already starting on Jamie- all I can really say is yes! Though, everything about this comic is utterly fantastic to begin with!
March 21st, 2008 at 10:05 am
Hmmm… Was Jack even around long enough to be considered a ‘companion’? I am a fan of Jamie, the young and rough around the edges Scottish boy who still manages to learn enough to be the Doctor’s right arm.
I also quite liked Ian and Barbara, since it was they who first drew the Doctor out of his grumpy old man shell, a little.
And then there’s Sarah Jane and Leela, who are both made of a lot of win.
March 21st, 2008 at 10:40 am
Rich, you done good! As for Jack being “a little round”, I think that that is an accurate description of the actor.
Torchwood is a fun series, but it *does* take some getting used to.
For wulfae: I think the general concensus is that if somebody who is not an active antagonist travels from one point in space-time to another, inside the TARDIS, with the Doctor, that person is pretty much “officially” a companion. Adam (from Dalek and The Long Game) and Donna Noble (Catherine Tate) would qualify. Mickey Smith definitely qualifies! Then there’s Kylie Minogue’s Astrid — an exception to the TARDIS trip is made for her I guess because of her name recognition.
Just a final note for Jack: if you think back to the final three episodes of Seaon 3, John Barrowman received opening title credits along with Tennant and Agyeman. Jack’s official.
Wilcat
March 21st, 2008 at 10:55 am
Squeee!!
Jack coming on to Jamie!
**swoons with all the other fan-girls**
March 21st, 2008 at 11:15 am
Is That Sarah’s Car Or Not
March 21st, 2008 at 11:18 am
Romana, YAY!!
Jumps up and down clapping rapidly
March 21st, 2008 at 11:22 am
Sarah And Jack, Bad Combo
March 21st, 2008 at 11:28 am
When In Jack’s Timeline Is This
Between Sereis 1+2
Or Betwenn Series 3+4
Or Between Series 4+5
March 21st, 2008 at 11:30 am
How Does K9 Get in the Car In The 7th Box He’s Not In The Cra And In The 8th He Is There Is Not Enough Time For Jamie To Pick Him Up And Pass Him to Sarah So She Can Put Him In The Front Seat Of Her Car
March 21st, 2008 at 11:32 am
Where’s Romana In The Last Box?!!!!
March 21st, 2008 at 11:34 am
OMG YES.
So glad we’ve got Captain Jack on the scene, though it’s not gonna please Sarah Jane….
Can’t wait for 86!!!
March 21st, 2008 at 11:58 am
On Jim’s question about K9 getting in the car, I’ll just point out that time is under Rich’s control. Obviously, enough time has passed for everyone else to get in the car and get situated. Someone must have picked K9 up. (Or else this version of K9 has a hovercraft mode!)
Looking at the last two panels again, I notice that Jamie is getting in the left side, and then sitting on the right side of the back seat! So apparently the following happened in sequence:
1)Sarah and Jack got in the right side of the car, and Jamie got in on the left as we see in panel 7.
2)They drove off without K9.
3)They got halfway up the street with K9 chasing after them. (He is a dog, after all …)
4)K9 called Sarah-Jane’s cell phone and asked her to stop.
5)Jack got out, ran around to the left side of the car, picked up K9 and shoved him in the front seat.
6)Jack ordered Jamie to scoot over, and got back in on the left side.
March 21st, 2008 at 12:18 pm
/squeeing!
March 21st, 2008 at 12:19 pm
Jim, post all your comments at once rather than multiple small ones in a row, please.
March 21st, 2008 at 12:43 pm
March 21st, 2008 at 12:50 pm
Jack and Jamie together. You made my inner fangirl squee. ^^
March 21st, 2008 at 12:50 pm
SQUEE! Captain Jack and Sarah-Jane meet! Good depiction of him too. And of course he would be pleased to meet Jamie XD
March 21st, 2008 at 12:56 pm
OMFG
This is so good!!!
Bambera and UNIT (and does that Seargant look a bit Benton-y or is it just me?) and Cpt. Jack Harkness.
I love every panel of this: How Bambera willingly ignores Jack’s self-assigned title, how everyone knows about him and Torchwood (secret organization my ass) and no one is really impressed, and of course how Jack cannot be bothered by this and shamelessly flirts with everyone (he just takes this job from ‘Winnie’ because he wants to be there when Romana opens her eyes the old flirt) oh and I
March 21st, 2008 at 1:04 pm
GHAAAAA!!!! Jack, you incourigible &%%^%E$&*!!!! Not that having him flirt with Jamie isn’t laugh-out-loud funny, it’s just that…well, okay, he doesn’t know Jamie’s from 18thCentury Scotland. If he did…(I think it would be funny if he flirtred with Sarah Jane. Heeheehee.)
Good show here. I was wondering when/if Jack was gonna show up. He’s one of my favorties, and one of my best friends is in love with him (female), so this is gratifying.
Keep up the good work, ye smeghead!!
March 21st, 2008 at 1:23 pm
It would be fun if the old comic book companions John and Gillian were to appear on the strip too..
just watched the documentary on the meddling monk dvd..
March 21st, 2008 at 1:33 pm
Squee! Captain Jack! That incorrigible flirt. *does a bit of a tap dance*
I’m a lurky fan coming out to, you know, squee. I’ve been reading this a while and love it to bits, it’s really great.
Someone above asked where Romana is in the car - I assume that’s her poor little head slumped WAY down between Jamie and Jack, behind K-9. She’s probably tucked down into a footwell or laying across Jamie’s lap.
That, or I’m wrong and they’ve stuffed her into the hatchback.
I doubt that, however.
March 21st, 2008 at 1:33 pm
I can’t imagine any universe in which Jack could end up in the back seat of a car with Jamie and *not* flirt. It would be against some kind of law of the universe.
March 21st, 2008 at 1:57 pm
Love the new page, Rich! I can imagine that Bambera would have very little patience for Captain Jack!!! I see he’s up to his old tricks again - poor Jamie!
And all the speak of the Torchood van reminds of the time I nearly crashed into it! I actually live in Cardiff and a few months ago I almost pulled out in front of it! I assume they had been filming with it that day and it was being returned to wherever they keep it (I was just round the corner from the BBC)!
Will Lethbridge-Stewart be putting in a small appearance at all? He is my favourite character from the whole series!
March 21st, 2008 at 2:56 pm
Oh epic!!!! Capt. Jack makes the scene. Like the flirting with Jamie, just something he’d do (time and a place Jack). I assume he’ll be doing the same with Romana as soon as she’s awake. BTW Rich, don’t worry about the van. Jack probably left the Torchwood SUV in Cardiff and used other transportation. I’m assuming of course that they’re not actually in Cardiff. It’d be a bit difficult not involving the whole TW team if they were.
March 21st, 2008 at 3:17 pm
Well this is a nice little Eggmas present, a new page, UNIT and Torchwood (So the earth based stuff must be in Cardiff :))to boot…
On the subject of Torchwood, I know I was all for their inclusion earlier, but now I hear you’ve not seen the series, I’m not sure I’d be happy thinking I was responsible for making you sit through S1 of that show, even if it is just for photo ref (Yes, Jacks chin could stand to be a *little* stronger, but you got the dimple just right.)…
I know the chances of a Death’s Head cameo are slim to none (erring towards NONE) but a guy can dream, yes?
March 21st, 2008 at 3:27 pm
Heehee, do Sarah Jane and Jack know that they both traveled with the Doctor?
March 21st, 2008 at 4:11 pm
Is it really complicated?
They’re putting Romanna in the car in the penultimate panel. And she’s next to Jack in the last panel, just off-’camera’. Probably better to have the injured person *between* the two men, but maybe Jack didn’t see it that way… ; )
I’m now waiting for one of those set pieces where both Jack and Sarah Jane say ‘hi’ to the Doctor simultaneously, and then turn to each other, saying “you know him, too?” also simultaneously… : )
March 21st, 2008 at 7:06 pm
Kitti Kat: You’re welcome!
Hakura0: *grins* Thank you!
wulfae: I would say yes, Jack is a companion, especially when you consider that Katarina is listed as one and she was only with the Doctor from the end of ” Myth Makers” until near the beginning of the NEXT episode “The Dalek Masterplan” as is Sara Kingdom who joined and died in the second half of “The Dalek Masterplan”. Kameleon is listed as a companion even though he joined the Doctor at the end of “The King’s Demons” and then disappeared until he turned against the Doctor in “Planet of Fire”. Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart is considered a companion even though, with a brief offscreen trip in “The Five Doctors”, he never even traveled in the TARDIS with the Doctor! Jack at least has a tenure of some sort, a small group of episodes and a return.
Wildcat: Also very good points in Jack’s favour! I’ll probably hunker down and try to watch the whole Torchwood thing someday. Same with the SJS Adventures, though the pilot I watched made it clear it was charmingly juvenile mush. Still, it’s all part of the universe.
Gallifrey: Hehehehe… you girls…
Jim: Yes.
Jim: Yay.
Jim: Yup.
Jim: It’s supposed to be between 3&4, but I’ll have to double check the facts.
Jim: Sarah Jane comes back to get K9 after they’ve put Romana in beside Jack. Jamie goes around the other side.
Jim: Romana’s between Jack and Jamie, you can’t see her on that angle.And I cheated it a bit so that Jack could have his arm around Jamie’s shoulder.
Jim: Do try to keep your questions in one post if possible.
The Radge: 86? OH PAGE 86! Hahahahah… again, I’ll try not to let it take so long.
JustAWanderer: Okay, that made me laugh. Very good. ….Oh what the heck… you get a gold star too.
Mr.Scirev: /chuckling!
Spiral: Scuze me?
Lisa: And the outer one too, apparently.
ibishtar: Thanks! That’s what I figured, too.
herk: Not just you. Some others said that too. He’s not supposed to be Benton, though. Benton’s moved on.. Heh… yeah, UNIT was never terribly secret either. Used to have great big signs on the outside of the buiding in the series. UNIT HQ!
Other Chris: He might! You enjoy rubbing his homosexual adventures in her face? You’re cruel. Thanks! Oh, and I ain’t no smeghead, chunder-cheeks.
Mr.Scriev: It would! Might make a note of that. *scribble*
Lissa: *applauds tap dance* Welcome to the verbose comments page, lurker-Lissa. I figured she might be stuffed in the glove-compartment.
Mike: I think you may be right!
Dave: Thanks! That story is SO cool. We’ve got a friend who lives in Vancouver and used to see the Star Gate being hauled on a truck all over the place.
He might.
DrkFire666: We’ll have to wait and see about the Jack/Romana thing. But it makes sense. HAH! THat’s a good point. Thanks for that save, Drk.
Danfink: Cardiff or not Cardiff? Who knows. I figured it was more London areaish myself, but my English geography ain’t so hot in regards to where the best place to put the story is.
Oh, don’t worry about the Torchwood series, I’ve sat through far worse, I’m sure.. My film collection contains such *gems* as the entire Critter series, about 4 Alien rip off films, some 30+ zombie movies of varying quality and a whole bunch of old Hammer horror flicks. (Although The Fly 2 and The Swarm still make me stand up and swear angrily at the TV). I’ll either watch it or I won’t and I won’t blame anyone else for it. Like StarGate:Atlantis, if it sucks THAT bad, I’ll give up. (incidently, the only awsome thing about that show is that the best character is a Canadian! RAH!) Death’s Head, eh? I’d say ‘maybe’, but I don’t know who the hell that is. Elucidate?
Victor: I’m guessing not. No. Heheh
Gnome: Apparently. Looking for a little Three Stooges moment, are you? Heh.. I think the 2nd and 7th Doctor have that covered.
March 21st, 2008 at 7:23 pm
Please dont watch season one of Torchwood!
Honestly, it’s not good. We’re talking Flash Gordon level of scifi here, as I’ve said once before. However, if you want to get Torchwood items right, happily, there is season 2. The last 3 eps of Doctor Who season 3 and the first ep of season 2 provide more background info than all of season 2, and since season one was truly as bad with continuity as plots and direction, there really is no reason to send someone back to watch those eps. (Okay, They Keep Killing Suzie was good, and I enjoyed Random Shoes..but its comparable to Love&Monsters, so only put it on the list to watch if you liked that ep. -hmmmm - wonder if Elton and his Portrait of a Lady will make an appearence :p)
Season 2 only has a couple of really bad eps, they are doing their best to make you forget season 1 ever happened. Get yourself a copy of the season 2 opener, Kiss Kiss Bang Bang and it’s got lots of shots of the van from all angles, and even one pointless, but useful scan head to toe of Jack’s outfit. (It really was well directed, but they did a silly ‘reveal’ shot of Jack walking thru the door that shows his boots then swings up to his face…revealing him looking exactly as he did when we saw him a minute ago. :rolleyes But it was the only ‘why did they do that’ camera angle of the ep that really stands out.) Even has close ups of his little time device on his wrist, tho it’s always a bit dark. I swear by the power of… *peeks in Galaxy Quest* - by Grabthar’s Hammer, that it’s improved!
(I’m not promising no blatent sexuality, but at least this season we havent had to sit thru a love making scene..so it’s toned down considerably)
(oh, and that advice goes for anybody who’s interested in checking out Torchwood, if you’ve seen all of season 3 of Doctor Who, please start straight in with Torchwood season 2. Season 1 you can watch later, to prove your endurance and will power as a Doctor Who universe fan, but at least wait till after viewing season 2.)
And - really Rich, surely Bandara would be more accurately shown with one Shame per page, for sha-… okay, wont go there. But I was thiiis close.
Love to finally see what’s happening back on Earth - I was getting worried about Romana! Leaving us at a cliffhanger with Tom is the perfect excuse to see what Rose and Ace and a lot of nitro have gotten up to
Oh- and I had to redo some things on my site, and forgot I never left you a link. Should be easy to find the link to your comic
Doctor Who Columbus
March 21st, 2008 at 7:30 pm
Well, since Torchwood is patched into all these crazy computer networks, when UNIT started to mobilise for a certain point, they likely would have as well. Why it would be Jack, who’s in Cardiff, and not someone from Torchwood 1… Uhm, he saw that there were starships overhead, and pulled rank? Or he was already in the area, and just went over. Who’d say no to him?
And the Brig is a companion? Granted, he did take shelter in the TARDIS in the Three Doctors, but… I guess, with him in the mix, ‘companion’ means more someone the Doctor has worked with, rather than only people that he’s travelled with. Which does, indeed, make Jack a companion. I think the jury might still be out on whether he’s the *best* companion, or not, though. Heh.
Danfink: That is one of the coolest stories ever, *grins*
No rush on 86, Rich.
March 21st, 2008 at 7:32 pm
Rich, backgrounds are for squares! All is vanity! Totally would like to see Jack hitting on Romana…
March 21st, 2008 at 7:34 pm
The Sarah Jane Smith Adventures, yes, are juvinile, but do steadily improve each ep. I’d tell you to start with Eye of the Gorgon (ep 3-4), or the best ep Whatever Happened to Sarah Jane (ep 7-8), but truthfully, you need to watch all the eps before as they introduce new characters. While clearly aimed for the tween audience, it was already more mature than Torchwood when it started. It will air April 11th on Scifi Channel, I believe, 7:30 -9pmwill be the pilot movie, Invasion of Bane, then they start Doctor Who at 8:00? 8:30? on the 18th and what the plan is, after the extra long specials to cover the holiday adventures, they show the halfhour SJA 7:30 repeat from the week before, 8pm the new SJA ep, and 8:30 new Doctor Who
*does a little dance*
Two Hours of Doctor Who Universe in a row!
March 21st, 2008 at 7:37 pm
wulfae, Torchwood 1 was wiped out in Doomsday and Army of Ghosts. That’s why Jack started Torchwood in Cardiff, with basically people pulled off the street. (Okay, 2 survivors from the old Torchwood. But you cant tell me Owen wasnt just pulled off the street…probably as someone least likey to be missed by his old co-workers if he disappeared.
March 21st, 2008 at 7:53 pm
Oh YEAAAH. Wouldn’t they open another in London, though? I guess Cardiff has the rift, which might be more important in attracting aliens than the capital of England.
March 21st, 2008 at 8:19 pm
Huh, OK, not Benton. And here I was going to congratulate you on drawing him well. I’ll just be quiet now.
March 21st, 2008 at 8:51 pm
Wonderful, as always! Your eye for detail (even though you hate dealing with it) and your dead-on perspectives are a treat to see. My one critique would be that you seem to have a little difficulty showing age. Sarah-Jane does have a couple of lines at her eyes but other than that shows no real signs of age. I am a woman of middle-age myself and know that gravity is indeed a harsh mistress. A little more flesh at the jaw line might be helpful.
I also have to wonder - where are they taking Romana for treatment? With two hearts she’ll scare the pants off a “regular” physician! I wonder if Harry would be able to treat a Time Lady?
Love the exchange between Jack and Jamie, by the way. The man never passes up an opportunity does he? You’ve got him down to a science in one panel.
Meara
The Bionic Otaku
March 21st, 2008 at 9:36 pm
I’m happy to see another page. I checked yesterday, but it was earlier in the day and I don’t have internet access on my computer right now.
I was wondering what was happening with Romana and it will be amusing to see Jack’s reaction to her when he finds out who and what she is. Would she have the same feeling the Doctor had with Jack? I haven’t seen the episode in a while, but I remember the Doctor said Jack ‘felt wrong’ in ‘Utopia.’
March 21st, 2008 at 10:29 pm
WHOO! nice work man! your comics have been an inspiration to me! i too have started a comic but it’s not doctor related (unforetuneately). but your drawings have been a big help to me in drawing bodyshapes and clothing, THANK YOU!.
anyways, nice work with Capt. Jack, specially the hair.
maybe the jaw could be squarer? i like the story so far. keep up the good work!
March 21st, 2008 at 10:34 pm
oh i forgot to mention, how do you draw noses so well?! i am rubbish at noses (hence why i never draw the bloody things in my comcs and why the name of comic group is called NO-NOSE COMIX), ccould you give me a few pointers? that would be cool!
thanks!
March 21st, 2008 at 10:43 pm
@ wulfae: But Jack said he did rebuild Torchwood for the Doctor, which probably means, that he put together a bunch of idiots who couldn’t find their own ass if you handed them a map and closed down Torchwood 1 for good, because they were too dangerous in their professionalism (yeah they screwed up big time, too, but at least not everyone on the street knew about them)
Methinks Jack said something along the line of TW 1 destroyed in the attack of the Cybermen, TW 2 a strange man in Edinburough and TW 4 lost somewhere, which effectively makes TW 3 THE Torchwood.
@Rich of course UNIT wasn’t secret it was a United Nations organization, they weren’t meant to be (although the general public didn’t know that they dealt with aliens methinks) but Torchwood is - I mean the Doctor had never heard of them, before Doomsday and he knows about almost everything in earth history and has good contacts with UNIT, you should think Lethbridge-Stewart would have warned him about those bunch of maniacs hunting him. Which implies, that even UNIT didn’t know about Torchwood before Jack’s changing of the official policy.
@Meara: Have you seen Elizabeth Sladen in SJA? The woman is turning sixty this year but does look better than when she first played the Doctor’s companion, honestly some people have that luck.
(plus it’s really hard getting the right feeling of middle-aged in a comic-drawing, the general drawing style with the big eyes always looks more childlike and therefore younger than a naturalistic picture, I think the lines at Sarah’s eyes are not only adequate but sufficient)
March 21st, 2008 at 10:54 pm
Long time reader, first time poster, love the series. “Battlefield” was the first episode of “Doctor Who” I ever watched, so seeing Bambera was a huge thrill! Forget Litefoot and Jago, I’m wondering when Duggan will show up.
And Meara- perhaps they’ll get lucky and take Romana to hospital with a visitng surgeon from San Francisco who’s seen this sort of thing before?
March 21st, 2008 at 11:27 pm
Kevin Says:
March 21st, 2008 at 9:56 pm
Despite the background, it’s a good page and I don’t mind the background having that much detail as some people are better at drawing background detail than others. On the other hand, there’s no way I can buy Captain Jack’s so-called “putting the moves” on James MacCrimmon actually succeeding as Jamie is rather attentive to the women judging by the original series, being that he seems pretty smitten with Peri in “The Two Doctors”. As has been mentioned, Captain Jack better be careful in any flirting with Jamie because if he pushes it too far, Jamie just might do him bodily harm and considering the character’s background, he’s pretty capable of doing it. If Captain Jack can be called a “companion”, I don’t see why not Lethbridge-Stewart being that he’s been in the TARDIS twice, going by “The Three Doctors” and “The Five Doctors”, and he’s known more Doctors than the other character. Regarding Sergeant Benton’s status, the actor who portrayed him, John Levene felt the used car salesman claim to be rather ridiculous and frankly, I have to agree with him.
March 22nd, 2008 at 12:35 am
love the comic, Rich! Captain Jack looks a bit younger than he seems in the comic (his face seems a bit longer in the TW episodes - just a bit) but meh! CAPTAIN JACK HAS ARRIVED!!! I was wondering if he’d be in it! Woot! Now I’ve got to tell my fellow DW fans about this. They absolutely LOVE Captain Jack! Great comic, keep up the good work! Having Jack in it will make it so much more funnier!
I wonder what will happen if Jack meets all of the Doctors… *laughs uncontrollably* oh, that’ll be HILARIOUS! XD XD XD
March 22nd, 2008 at 2:51 am
Alright, new page, new characters, and everything! Hooray!
Backgrounds=bane of my existance/favourite thing ever. I hate doing all the stupid stupid perspective (especially cars. Screw cars. Everyone drives a box!), but darn it, nothing makes a half-***ed panel look finished like throwing in a background. It’s like magic!
Though I still don’t see anything wrong with the backgrounds here, really. Maybe it’s just that your characters have so much movement and animation to them (rather than just being talking heads) that backgrounds just don’t register with me anyway.
Maybe I should encourage the “I don’t like backgrounds” thing in animators more. Then studios’ll keep hiring people from my major to come in and do those for ‘em while animators can just handle the business of animating. Yay, paid work… *sigh*
If Jack meets all the Doctors…oh, definately gonna hit on Five. Possibly on Nine again (oh, it would be nice to see them back in their old friendly-not-really-flirting patter). But yeah, of course Jack would go for Jamie. Not to go all fangirl, but Jamie has Legs. Yes, they’re so good, they need to be capitalized and italicized, and aside from the horrible tragedy of missing great chunks of one of the best Doctors (IMHO), the second great tragedy of the lost episodes is not getting to see those Legs as often as they should be seen. I’m not even a legs girl…his are just that good. (I’m sure I’ve had this rant before.)
…Um. Right, about that not-fangirling thing.
Jamie is rather attentive to the women judging by the original series
You mean when Victoria came out of the wadrobe room in a miniskirt she just found and the Doctor and Jamie barely give her a “that’s nice” glance?
Kidding (although not about that bit). I can’t imagine it working anyway, just because Jamie’s such a…my fandoms bleed over here, but such a freaking Hufflepuff…that I think the insincerity that Capt. Jack positively oozes would put him off from the get-go.
Was Jack even around long enough to be considered a ‘companion’?
I’d say so. He was around long enough to develop a good patter with the Doctor and Rose (by Boom Town, even if it was only one episode after he’d joined, they had this fantastic mad-trio-of-adventurers vibe going for them), and we know that aside from the adventures in Boom Town, he visited Raxocorosomethingdysomething and Feudal Japan with them, so that’s three travelling-type adventures, plus the events of Bad Wolf/Parting of Ways, where it’s fairly implied that he would’ve kept travelling with the indefinately if things had turned out different, so I think he would be considered a Companion.
Torchwood!Jack is a completely different animal from DoctorWho!Jack.
I haven’t seen much of Series 2, but I agree that Series 1 is pretty bad. I watched it all, but with the same sort of dismayed I-can’t-stop attitude that I usually reserve for watching Robin Hood. There’s one good episode in Series 1–”Random Shoes”–and I think it’s a bit tell-tale that it’s the episode that barely features the main cast at all.
It’s difficult to like a show much when basically every character is kind of a horrible person. Jack’s bitter and a bit terrifying, Owen (though I do like him) is a dick and effectively a date rapist, Toshiko and Ianto could be decent people, or at least Ianto could, but his basic motivations are so freaking blurry, and Gwen…Gwen is just terrifying. The only decent human being on the show regularly is Rhys.
I do want to watch the Sarah Jane Adventures. Torchwood may be “mature” but I think I’d like to watch something that actually is, y’know. Wish they’d show that on BBCA.
March 22nd, 2008 at 3:06 am
Jim said: When In Jack’s Timeline Is This
Rich Said: It’s supposed to be between 3&4, but I’ll have to double check the facts.
So if 10 is between Series 2&3 Jack has been to the end of the Universe and met Martha and the Master while the Doctor (Ten) hasn’t. Jack has patched things up with the Doctor about being abandoned, but for the Doctor this has not yet happened. Could make things interesting. (”Timelines and all that” - Jack {Utopia}).
Meara said:
I also have to wonder - where are they taking Romana for treatment?
If Jack is between 3&4 he’ll know Martha.
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If he knows or finds out about Romana perhaps he’ll call in Martha?
(Rich: Hope we see Martha - please? Hey, Harry and Martha meeting - that would be cool! - the Two Doctors
What was Jack doing all those years while “waiting for a version of you which matched with me” {Utopia}? It’s not hard to imagine him trying to keep some kind of tabs on the Doctor, especially duing his time with UNIT. So how much does Jack know about the Doctors past (including past companions) I wonder?
March 22nd, 2008 at 3:38 am
Kevin Says:
March 22nd, 2008 at 2:15 am
I’ll admit Laura, Jaime wasn’t to the attentive to the women all the time in the original series and I agree, in that scene he wasn’t exactly blown away by Victoria wearing that miniskirt. It varied from scene to scene and in some instances he was more attentive to the females than others, but the overall point is one gets a feeling he’s attracted to the opposite sex, at least I did anyway, and so I don’t think Captain Jack’s so-called “putting the moves” on James MacCrimmon would work. Anyway as I said before, Jack might be risking his personal safety depending on how far he pushed any flirting with Jaime and as shown in “The Two Doctors”, he can be pretty handy with a blade being that he stabbed that Sontaran commander in the leg with that hidden dagger.
March 22nd, 2008 at 7:53 am
March 22nd, 2008 at 8:36 am
Mreen: Noted. TWs1, not impressive. And if “Random Shoes” is comparable to “Love & Monsters”, I’ll give it a miss. Thoroughly hated L&M.
I may have blown the “Shame” thing out of proportion with Bambara, but I don’t intend to have her feature much more in this comic. so I figured I’d get ‘em out now.
Thanks for the link! Checking it out.
wulfae: Indeed! Who can say? As for Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart, he’s not TECHNICALLY a “Companion of the Doctor” because he’s never been a ‘TARDIS crewmate’ or someone who followed the Doctor around on his adventures. If anything, because of the Doctor’s being employed as a scientific advisor to UNIT, the Doctor is the Brigadier’s companion. But he was a major supporting character in the show (or, in RPG terms, a major NPC? Maybe even a PC!) and so has a definate place on the ‘companions’ list when compiling the Doctor’s friends.
George: Noted! Thanks!
Mreen: Yeah, they do seem kinda fun, even is silly. Sonic lipstick… oh brother.
(stays out of Torchwood continuity discussion as I have nothing to contribute)
Brian: Heheh. Sorry.
Meara: Thank you! I don’t hate dealing with detail. I just hate getting it wrong. It’s backgrounds I hate. Yeah, aging a cartoon character this simplified and keeping her recognizable is a very difficult thing to do. I’ll note that, though. Thanks for the tip!
Sailorgreeny: Good questions! We’ll see how that goes.
M@nning: DOCTOR WHOO! I’m happy to have inspired you! And even more pleased that my drawings were helpful to you! As for noses, the mistake a lot of people make is drawing too much nose. In a profile you can see the whole thing, the bridge the slope,etc. But from the front, less is more. The prominant shadow under the nostrils and, if it’s prominant enough, an indication of the edge of the bridge on one side is generally sufficient. In many cases, especially with female characters, you needn’t do much more than the simplest of curves or a line to indicate it’s presence to portray it. If you check out my other comic YAFGC you’ll see that some of the characters, Gren and the drow girls especially, have very simple dots or dashes for noses.
herk: In “The Three Doctors” the Brigadier states that UNIT is “a top secret establishment”.
kopp: Hi there! Welcome and thank you! Duggan! Hahahahah awsome.
Kevin Stroik: I think your memories of Jamie’s randy activities are somewhat exaggerated. He had no such reactions to any of his fellow companions in Troughton’s era (of which there were three) that I know of. And his being smitten with Peri was his single inappropriate goodbye kiss at the very end. Which could simply have been a fish-out-of-water thing. Now, Frazier Hines has a reputation that coule be merged into the memories of the character, perhaps.
As it is, you needn’t worry. I’ve always percieved Jamie as being hetro myself, probably because of Frazier Hines himself. And I think that if Jamie and Jack every came to blows, Captain Jack Harkness could probably hold his own. He’s a military man after all, and no slouch.
chs1ps: Yeah, that’s a feature of my style I think. They look like teenagers half the time. Thank you very much.
Laura: Animators shouldn’t be doing the backgrounds anyway, they’ve got too much else to do. Ah, what’s wrong with the studios nowadays?
Sinead: Hmm… like I said, I need to review my facts on this. But that kinda works out, no?
Carrie: Sorry?
March 22nd, 2008 at 9:03 am
Rich: Yes, I think it works. (Sorry if I gave the impression I thought there was a problem with it.) Like I said it could make things interesting. And it could be fun!
March 22nd, 2008 at 9:37 am
Sinaed- your timeline seems about right- and yes, I’d expect Romana and Susan- and Rani, Warlord, etc to have the same reaction to Jack as the Doctor and the Master. (The Doctor dealt with the wrongness of his existence by running away -sort his way of dealing with anything too big emotionally, the Master called him a freak and kept him locked out of site, but amused himself by killing him over and over again.)No one else is quite the reactionary those two are, but the other Time Lords should find him ‘wrong’ and upsetting to look at for long. Tho he might charm his way out with his ‘Are you prejudiced?’ line to Susan and Romana. I imagine 9 and 10 will simply flee his presence
as a friend gone wrong that they dont want to deal with.-
..I know, I know, no one gets their memories save the oldest Doctor, till they meet one another again, as is traditional.
Oh! 9 and Rose wont know who he is either! But no wonder 9 was so bothered later when Rose was hanging out with him
Jack is thoroughly aware of Unit, but I dont see him ever joining them. He needs groups he can slip in out of, to stay where he wants to be. Unit takes more notice of things, in their line of work. He’d have ended up working with the Doctor before he was supposed to meet him
Jack was more of a foreign legion kind of guy, where people joined up to forget their past, and adventured around. He could fake being an American abroad anywhere 
March 22nd, 2008 at 9:39 am
Oh, since everyone is talking about Jack’s face, I thought it was fine.. but I understand the rounded comment. In the show he mentions everyone being attracted to his ‘lantern jaw’ . Maybe that’s what you need, not so much a square face, but a little jut for the jawline. (offered up as someone with no claims on technique for comic book drawing!)
March 22nd, 2008 at 10:01 am
When it came to the female companions Jamie always struck me as the old fashioned “courtly love” type — light flirting but not daring to push any further because, in his world, that was not proper behavior around “ladies”. That being said — it seemed like he carried quite a torch for Victoria. He teased her in “The Ice Warriors” about wearing one of the mini-dresses that the women of the Ice Base wore, and in “The Abominable Snowmen” he showed a great amount of concern when she had been hypnotized by the Great Intelligence and he was relieved when the Doctor freed her of the post-hypnotic suggestion. Also, if you look at the end of “Fury from the Deep” Jamie is clearly heartbroken when VIctoria chose to leave the TARDIS and remain behind.
With Zoe, however, I always saw her and Jamie’s relationship as more classic sitcom stuff — he represented the older brother, kind of a jock while she represented the brainy younger sister.
March 22nd, 2008 at 10:42 am
Okay, as a fan of Torchwood I feel compelled to defend it here. S1 is NOT as crap as people here are making it out to be, there are a lot of mean Whovians who like to bash it for not being to their tastes which doesn’t equal crap.
Their is some stella stuff in Torchwood S1, which while having teething problems is well worth sticking with. I greatly recommend “Ghost Machine”, “They Keep Killing Suzie”, “Out of Time”, and “Captain Jack Harkness”, I am also a fan of “Cyberwoman” but many hate that because of Cyber-Bikini but looking past that it is in my mind a good episode. The only episodes I’d even say were ‘bad’ would be “Day One” and “Combat”, the rest are okay.
S2 is better, and has more stand out episodes but S1 gets unduly bashed by people, some of whom haven’t watched all of it.
March 22nd, 2008 at 11:12 am
I think Frazier Hines said somewhere that he played the role as if he has a crush on Victoria (I know, contradicting my previous statement), so it wasn’t technically written, but it was subtext that he added.
GracieLizzie…I honestly don’t think it’s particularly undue. I think Torchwood would be a better show if they didn’t feel the need to make everything about sex (plus, it’s kind of ridiculous, the whole “Everyone involved with Torchwood is bisexual and horny!” thing). That’s what makes it so cheesy for me. Well, that and the previously mentioned fact that they’re none of them (from what I’ve seen) decent people. Maybe Ianto is sort of (I do like him. I hate the text-over-subtext of the Ianto/Jack relationship, but I like Ianto). Writing-wise, it’s…well, it misses something.
March 22nd, 2008 at 11:56 am
FYI: Death’s Head is IMO the finest original creation of the now defunct MarvelUK comics line, an alien robot bounty hunter, who was originally featured in back up strips in the old DWM, he was spun off into his own series (After having his continuity pretty heavily tied in with the Transformers) where he travelled across time through the Marvel universe trying to make a (dis)honest buck.
The title lasted for @ 12 issues (less impressive then than it, sadly, is now), but I still think it’s a Damn fine read, the Iron Man 2020 issue is one of the funniest comics I’ve ever read…
So, he may not be exactly canon, but if you’re looking for an excuse to work Optimus Prime into this thing…
(I probably shouldn’t be giving you these Ideas!!)
March 22nd, 2008 at 12:16 pm
Rich, this is so spot on brilliant! Are we going to see the rest of the Torchwood team?
BTW, I’m curious how everyone discovered this comic. As for me, I was bored at work one day, the morning after having watched “The Five Doctors” on DVD, and with nothing better to do Googled “The Ten Doctors” on a whim. What a good idea! LOL!
How about everyone else?
March 22nd, 2008 at 12:22 pm
Wow, what’s with all the Torchwood bashing? Honestly, people, Torchwood Series 1 was for the most part pretty good stuff. Sure, they spent a lot of time reinforcing the “We’re not Doctor Who - we’re sexy and violent” attitude, but by S2 they’ve got past that. Even so, Series 1 had a lot of great episodes. I admit that by the end of the season I don’t think there’s a single character that’s still likeable (except maybe Rhys), but at least they aren’t two-dimensional cardboard cutouts like you see on so many shows. During S1 I eagerly anticipated each new episode as it was coming out, hungry for more, and even more so now we’re in S2.
Seriously, Rich, don’t let these naysayers put you off, especially about Random Shoes. The person who compared it to Love & Monsters, I think only meant to do so in terms of it’s the episode where you don’t see much of the main characters. But Random Shoes is FAR better than Love & Monsters.
I’m wondering what’s the basis behind this “Torchwood is horrible” attitude I’m seeing. Could it be that it’s mostly Americans who dislike it? I know the versions that were shown in the US had something like 5 minutes cut out of each ep - perhaps the minutes that were taken out made a difference to the perception of the show? I’ve never seen the cut versions, so I don’t know what got chopped. I also know that American TV in general is kind of … uh, sanitised for the viewing public. I grew up in Australia but have lived in the US for the past few years, and I’m still amazed by what they won’t show on American TV. So maybe they’re simply not used to in-your-face stuff shown on the telly. I don’t know, I’m just guessing here. But seriously, Torchwood is a great show. Just don’t expect it to be like Doctor Who, is all.
Back to the comic - if this Jack is between Doctor Who Series 3 & 4, then he must be the Torchwood S2 Jack. Which means Martha Jones is already a fully qualified doctor, so maybe that’s where Jack’s taking Romana? At least Martha’s somewhat familiar with Gallifreyan physiology - once Jack learns that Romana’s from Gallifrey.
And oh man, won’t that flabbergast him after what the Doctor’s told him about the Time War? lol
*wriggles in seat, anticipating the next comic*
March 22nd, 2008 at 12:37 pm
I might be an exception, but I squeed terribly when seeing Bambera. I so hope sghe will appear in the new series! Thanks a lot for not forgetting her
March 22nd, 2008 at 12:37 pm
I’m a little surprised that Bambera’s still in the same rank at UNIT. It’s been about twenty years since Battlefield, and if she’s the same age as her actress then she’d be around 57. I’d think she’d have at least achieved a promotion by now.
March 22nd, 2008 at 12:48 pm
…Hey, what happened to my Gravatar?
March 22nd, 2008 at 1:00 pm
…I mean Wavatar? Whatever, I can’t keep the things straight. I’ve read the previous posts, I’m sure you’re on top of it Rich. And thinking further on the matter, it’s not so strange… according to the novels, Lethbridge-Stewart wasn’t promoted due to political reasons until much later in life, long after he’d retired. The title could be informal even, maybe the troops just prefer calling the one in charge “Brigadier.” A UNIT tradition, as it were.
March 22nd, 2008 at 1:32 pm
Rich, you said that the Earth-bound parts of this comic are set in 2006, which means that the Captain Jack here must from BEFORE series 1 of Torchwood, which was set at the end of 2007, and series 2 is set in 2008. Just an observation - I’m not being nit-picky!!
And personally, I love the way you’ve drawn Jack! It really captures his cheeky persona!
Also, I feel that I must defend what everyone is saying about series 1 of Torchwood. Yes, some aspects of it were questionable, but overall I dont feel that it was all that bad! Though Series 2 is of a far higher quality!!
March 22nd, 2008 at 2:52 pm
While Danfink has all the details right, i thought you’d appreciate know how Death’s head fits from an ‘in-universe’ (sort of) perspective.
http://www.insecticons.com/insecticomics/v4/328.html
“I though you were just went after Organics?”
“WE THOUGHT THAT WAS NEED-LESS-LY LIM-IT-ING.”
at any rate, DH never appeared on the series proper, so that rules him out automaticly
March 22nd, 2008 at 4:22 pm
I am enjoying watching the first series of Torchwood, and I’m now also rewatching them with my friend… Which means I enjoyed them enough that I’ll sit through them twice. Some of the episodes were less good, with what amounts to *way too much* sexuality but… Well, it’s in the same universe as Doctor Who, but it’s not the same show.
I just saw ‘Random Shoes’, and I liked it. I’m watching the uncut versions, so I’m not sure what’s different between what we’d see on CBC here, and what you’d see on BBC.
As my friend pointed out, it often takes a little while for a series to settle in, as it were. If they’ve toned down the sexuality in s2, then I’m happy. I do love my crime shows.
Jonathan: I discovered this comic through a link in some blog when I was looking for reference for Two and Jamie.
Joe: Did you have a specific avatar that you’d uploaded, that’s not working now? They’ve been disabled, because if the gravatars work, then the wavatars don’t. The problem mustn’t have been fixed yet.
Dave: I was going to say something similiar. Martha can’t be a full doctor yet, not if it’s set in 2006.
March 22nd, 2008 at 4:50 pm
Yay Captain Jack! I love the fact that he recognized SJ right away, and vice versa. Anyone else think that sometime in the near future, there may very well be a Sarah Jane Adventures/Torchwood crossover? They already did it with Dr. Who…
March 22nd, 2008 at 5:13 pm
Martha Can’t Appear In This Comic Because She Hasn’t Met Doctor 10 In His Timeline Yet It Will Cause All Hell To Break Lose
March 22nd, 2008 at 5:37 pm
‘WE ARE SO A PART OF YOUR MYTH-OS’
lol
March 22nd, 2008 at 6:05 pm
Well, as an American, here is my take…I couldn’t get through Torchwood S1. WAY to oversexed. I had a problem with the everyone was a bisexual horndog thing. But, I LOVE series 2.
And I’ve not been watching pre-watershed stuff, either. I get my episodes via P2P (don’t worry. I plan on buying them proper, when they’re on DVD). So I’m at least two stories ahead of my fellow Americans.
So it wasn’t the “in your face” style that bugged me. I just hope they either fix Owens “problem” before he gets any more damaged, and isn’t able to function, or get rid of him. I’m actually starting to like him.
And Rich. The Torch-Mobile is a modifide 2005 Land-Rover Range Rover Sport (L320)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5d/Torchwood_SUV.jpg
March 22nd, 2008 at 6:05 pm
So are we going to be seeing Ancelyn, too?
March 22nd, 2008 at 6:09 pm
Phantom Drummer: They’ll never do a Sarah Jane Adventures/Torchwood crossover. The SJA is a kids show and it would be highly inappropriate.
Owen should never come within 50 miles of Maria, Clyde and Luke…. Though I would kind of love to sick Chrissie on him.
*hasn’t seen Torchwood Series 2*
March 22nd, 2008 at 6:10 pm
@Laura I DO think it’s undue. The sex is over stated by the haters, it’s not actually their very much if you watch. Only two episodes of S1 have sex scenes in them.
March 22nd, 2008 at 6:12 pm
Also “way too much sexuality” O_o it’s got nothing on, say, Skins.
March 22nd, 2008 at 6:53 pm
Hey, I’m a fan. I just didn’t like series/season 1. So I hope you’re not counting me among the “haters”
March 22nd, 2008 at 7:37 pm
Well maybe among the S1 dislikers. Sorry, I’m just tired of the bashing.
March 22nd, 2008 at 8:00 pm
Yay! The (long overdue) return of Wonderful Winnie Bambera. *Does happy dance*
Wrong cap badge for UNIT though.
Captain Jack as well!!! Hurrah!
IMO Jack’s a bit more square jawed - think Dan Dare but minus the squiggly eyebrows.
March 22nd, 2008 at 10:07 pm
Mreen: Yeah, I wasn’t thinking of Jack having anything to do with Unit. I was thinking more of him being aware of their existence and quietly monitoring some of their activities (especially when the Doctor was with Unit). He watched Rose growing up in the 90’s without any direct contact with her. As a former time agent (and with the help of some advanced technology) I’m sure he’d be good at quiet surveillance IF he put his mind to it. (Could he use the device on his wrist to monitor “primitive” radio transmissions for instance?) Surely he must have been monitoring “Doctor activity” to some degree to have found the Doctor’s hand?
Jim: I think it might be possible for Martha to appear in the comic without meeting the Doctor.
Well, whatever happens (Martha or no Martha) it’s a great sory!
March 22nd, 2008 at 10:11 pm
Okay, I’m skipping over all the comments in the thread. That’ll teach me to read the comic and think about it before figuring out what I want to say.
Sarah Jane not trusting Torchwood makes perfect sense. UNIT not liking Torchwood makes perfect sense. Torchwood was just recently responsibly for the Battle of Canary Wharf, and all the people dying at the hands of the Cybermen and Daleks. After that debacle, Captain Jack is lucky to still have funding.
March 23rd, 2008 at 12:10 am
I feel like I may be the only person squeeing more about Bambera than about Jack.
Shame.
March 23rd, 2008 at 3:43 am
No not so i still do care about most all of the characters in any Doctor Who!
March 23rd, 2008 at 9:24 am
I must have been in shock about Captain Jack. Can’t seem to post anything on the wall, but I thought I would try again. I am glad that you consider Jack as a companion.
As for Torchwood, I enjoy it, it is an extention of the Doctor Who universe and despite what other people might advise you… its a hell of a lot better than some of the other tv shows out there! So there are a few reused sets (and plots) not to mention the dialog goes pretty darn “inuendo” at some times. The continuity isnt up to par, sometimes I feel they are all shot completly out of order. Still I think its great, charming and once a week at least… Jack makes me smile. Ok so maybe its Ianto that makes me smile, but you get the idea!
March 23rd, 2008 at 10:56 am
Who needs backgrounds when your character design is so freakin’ awesome?!
Anyways, I’m glad to see one more page posted!
March 23rd, 2008 at 1:59 pm
I was wondering if Jack would make an appearance. Of course he would–he loves The Doctor! Are you going to include the rest of Torchwood in the strip? And, if so, would it be Season 2 or Season 1 Torchwood, ’cause Owen is a walking dead man now, Gwen’s husband (BF back then) Rhys is now aware of his wife’s work.
Do you need more reference materials? If so, maybe us fans can provide for you, in support of this wonderful fanfic comic.
Happy Easter!
March 23rd, 2008 at 2:47 pm
i hate to say it, but it took a while for this page to grow on me, seemed a bit rushed or summin? but it’s got captain jack, and bambera, so it’s not all bad
keep it flowin in steady paces my good man! 
March 23rd, 2008 at 5:00 pm
Oh-ho! You thought you could distract me from the cliffhanger last comic by waving Jack and UNIT in my face? Not so! I’m still waiting impatiently for the fate of 4.
But seriously, nice update, I’ve been wondering what happened to Romana!! I’m probably the only person here who squee’d over Romana as much as I did over Jack…even if she’s unconscious, she’s still a favorite. But I particularly liked Bambera. I haven’t actually heard of her before–unfortunately, I haven’t been able to see any of the 7th Doctor’s series (if anyone knows a site where I can find them, I’d be very grateful). But her dryness puts a smile on my face.
One request–please don’t throw in a lot of sex now that Jack has entered the picture. While I’d be highly disappointed if he DIDN’T flirt with anything on two legs, I’d be very unhappy if it ever goes beyond that. I don’t mind a little romantic tension occasionally, but I really don’t want to see anything go beyond a kiss every so often–much like in the TV show itself.
March 23rd, 2008 at 9:00 pm
Uh, who was it that said that the sexuality in Torchwood was exaggerated by haters?
Have you /seen/ the second episode? You know, the one about the alien who had to have sex to live, possessed a teenage girl and went around sleezy nightclubs? Yeah, I suppose if you ignore that, Torchwood’s downright decent. Not…
For me, there’s nothing worth watching in season one. The writing’s sub par, the characters are questionable, and the plots are just…weird. And I’m still convinced the only reason that they haven’t blown up something important is because they’re in each other’s pants. Honestly, there’s so many hormones raging through there it’s a wonder that poor dinosaur doesn’t drop dead.
And there is no excuse for Countrycide. I’d ask what they were thinking, except it’s quite clear they weren’t. WTH?
Anyway! Onto a more pleasant rant…I think someone mentioned the reactions other Time Lords would have to Jack. I bet that the Rani would love him. In a purely scientific way, mind - I’m sure Jack would be extremely fascinating to study, being immortal and all. She wouldn’t even have to worry about an experiment being too hazardous and accidentally killing him! He’s the perfect lab rat.
March 23rd, 2008 at 9:45 pm
RE Turnip: Oh good lord, Rani and Jack. She has an undying lab rat, he hits on her and whatever lab assistants she brings in constantly. That is an incredibly distressing thought.
March 23rd, 2008 at 11:16 pm
Just hope the Master doesn’t learn about him to early. Or he might try to steal his body, just like he did with Tremis…The Master, everliving
March 24th, 2008 at 2:44 am
I agree whole-heartedly with Turnip, and a lot of other people so I see, on the Torchwood issue. Clearly it has its own fans but its just not my cup of tea, to put it gently.
Jonathan, I found this comic through the Deviantart site, where I spend many an hour finding wonderful Doctor Who fanart!
March 24th, 2008 at 5:11 am
Jonathan: I also found this comic on deviantART, I was searching for Doctor Who fanart and found the first fourteen pages there as well as the link for this site.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:26 am
Lawrie if you want to watch 7th Doctor episodes go to YouTube and type in: mccoyrulz in the search box. This person has every single 7th Doctor episode uploaded. They are arranged by episode number.
March 24th, 2008 at 12:58 pm
“’cause Owen is a walking dead man now, Gwen’s husband (BF back then) Rhys is now aware of his wife’s work.”
…thanks for that, Lila. Good to know. -.-
Torchwood’s like Harry Potter for me–there’s so very much to bash and complain about (my baptism into fandom was a mixture of Star Wars/Star Trek, and as the essay says, there’s nothing the average Star Wars fan loves to do so much as complain about Star Wars). But it does make me smile. I desperately love Owen, mostly because, in Season 1, anyway (which is all that I’ve been able to watch so far), he’s just what it says on the tin–he’s billed as the incredible dickweed, and he is, which works better for me than “Gwen is ‘The Caring One’ but really, she’s kind of a psycho, etc, etc. I complain, but it’s still fun to watch. Like the BBC Robin Hood show–cheesy and a bit lame sometimes, but still fun.
I’m actually looking forward to catching up on season two now that I’m out of school. But I’m still gonna pick on it.
March 24th, 2008 at 1:08 pm
Great Great stuff. But please, let this be the only Torchwood reference you do.
I beg of you