February 28th, 2008
The 10 Doctors - Page 83
The 6th Doctor tells the 4th Doctor a little bit of what he’s learned and gives him the brush off, instructing him to stay out of the way and not to get himself killed. However, when the 4th Doctor indicates that he’s put Earth in danger with his crazy plan, the 6th Doctor orders him to makes sure nothing happens to it. The 4th Doctor is unimpressed.
February 28th, 2008 at 12:21 am
Lovely…
Mr Baker to a Tee!
February 28th, 2008 at 12:39 am
Seven years… Giggle…
And Six is aware of the Valeyard’s plan. I guess he got that from the interrogation with the Dalek Commander from earlier.
“Celery Boy”… Brilliant. Both Bakers are brilliant!
February 28th, 2008 at 1:05 am
*dances* Yay new comic! I laughed at the seven years crack, too. It’ll be interesting to find out more about this plot, when six decides to share with four the details. Was the Valeyard thing in six’s time? I haven’t seen that far yet.
February 28th, 2008 at 1:21 am
Oop! Just had a thought.
The 4th Doctor is heading to Earth to make sure the 6th Doctor’s plan doesn’t do any damage to it? Maybe he’ll have a reunion with Sarah Jane, K9, Romana and Jamie on the way?
Just a thought.
February 28th, 2008 at 1:23 am
Quick question:
If this Sixth Doctor is from before “Trial of a Timelord”, how does he have a knowledge of the Valeyard’s true identity?
February 28th, 2008 at 1:26 am
“Celery boy” — that’s rich coming from Mr. Midlife Crisis Product.
Ten Doctors vs. the Valeyard? Pffft — no problem. Besides, Doctor 9 is way darker.
Excellent to see a new page. Thanks, Rich.
February 28th, 2008 at 2:04 am
Hello there! And welcome the the Baker & Baker Show!!!
Tom, maybe he got it from the Daleks… and conveniently forgot just in time for “Trial”. Well whatever, the time lines are still in flux you know, wibbly wobbly, timey wimey… stuff.
February 28th, 2008 at 2:29 am
“Celery Boy” That’s awesome! Six never was fond of Five, was he?
Love the updates. Love to see them!
February 28th, 2008 at 2:41 am
Hilarious! I just love the Messrs Baker here!
February 28th, 2008 at 3:07 am
My commendations, sir. You have an encyclopedic knowledge of the entire series. More importantly, you have the characters down to a tee. Bravo!
One small thing; 4 seems to have run out of jelly babies, he hasn’t offered them to anybody so far. (I used to raid the local Marks & Sparks for JBs while they had outlets here.)
February 28th, 2008 at 3:08 am
this page is hilarious! i don’t even mind waiting a week or more, ’cause i know i’ll get to see a page of this BRILLIANT comic! FANTASTIC! Keep up the good work!
February 28th, 2008 at 3:14 am
And there was much rejoicing
February 28th, 2008 at 3:47 am
Thanks for the new page Rich.
How lucky are we to read your wonderful comic free over the internet!
Celery Boy
Not so long ago watched ‘Arc of Infinity’ on DVD and enjoyed the commentary with Peter Davison and Colin Baker.
February 28th, 2008 at 4:42 am
nothing sooths the soul, like a good hot cup of cammomile tea, and a new page, delightful, full of mirth, and repoirtee, also, it’s like you know, really excellent dude!
ahh what a change my day has taken now that i’ve had another dose of comic fandom!
cheers rich
February 28th, 2008 at 4:59 am
Thanks again for a wonderful page Rich.
Oh I love your arrogant sixth Doctor, he had SOOO many great lines on just one page:
Seven years, Celery boy and of course: Or I’ll go back and turn the Pharos dish myself
February 28th, 2008 at 6:59 am
I lurked for a bit, but I had to come out and say YAY!
Another great page - I think I’m addicted to this thing
February 28th, 2008 at 7:20 am
The other Dave: Cheers! I was able to hear Colin Baker’s voice doing those lines in my head very clearly (for a few weeks now). I wonder if they aren’t actually compiled of memories of things he actually did say in various episodes somehow.
Sean: Yeah, the 6th Doctor was able to talk semi-logical rings around the Supreme Dalek who was able to give him the information he needed to deduce a whole lot.
wulfae: Yeah, the “Trial of a Time Lord” was Colin Baker’s final season and featured the Valeyard at the principal vilain (and his only appearance in this -decidedly lengthy drawn out and directionless story). His regeneration was featured at the beginning of the next season (with Sylvester McCoy in a Colin Baker wig), and there had to have been more untelevised 6th Doctor adventures in between.
Seam: It’s possible.
Tom: Yes. And there are two possibilities to expain how he knows what he knows. 1: He deduced it logically from the information giving to him by the Surpreme Dalek (which would contain knowledge of the Doctor’s manipulated bio data). 2: When the Doctors get together their memories merge and blend and blur. Some things get shared, other things don’t. He may have picked up the memories incidently from the 7th, 9th or 10th Doctors.
Then of course, there’s everybody’s new catch all DeM: “wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey”.
Os: All ten against the Valeyard? Have you forgotten Omega, the Celestial Toymaker and two factions of Daleks? Not to mentions the menacing presence of the Master, the War Chief, the Meddling Monk, the Rani, the Sontarans, etc etc.
DrkFire666: EEGG-zactly. Thank you.
PlainSimpleGarak: Nope. “Sweet? Effete!…I never like that incarnation. It had a kind of FECKLESS CHARM that simply wasn’t ME.”
Melanie: Thanks!
Allan: Thanks! I will confess to the occasional bout of research I do while working on this comic. But for the most part it’s done my memory. Sometimes I surprise myself with what I do remember. And sometimes with what I remember WRONG.
As for the JellyBabies, you’re right. I haven’t had a chance to really do the 4th Doctor properly. He didn’t offer them randomly, though, there were conditions and situations that were appropriate. He does offer the Master a humbug in the Christmas Page, though.
Ch1ps: My goodness! Thank you!
Cap’n Shade: yaaay.
Sinead: Both of them, eh? That’d been funny! I’ve got to find that. I have “The Colin Baker Years” tape where he gets some wonderful snide remarks in about Arc of Infinity and his regeneration. He’s quite a lot of fun when he’s not being ruined by crappy writing. Poor guy.
I really quite enjoy writing his dialogue, though, as this page probably shows clearly.
gecks: Heheh, thank you!
herk: Hah! I’m glad you caught and appreciated that last line. That one and ‘celery boy’ were my favorites this page. And the ‘Do I have to think of everything’ bit was the clearest Colin Baker in my head so far.
Megalomaniac: Thanks for commenting! I’m glad you’re enjoying it. Sorry about any withdrawl symptoms you may have suffered. Life was a little chaotic for a while with a famiy wedding and some of us being sick… Work has been ramped up as well, making it difficult to get in the frequency of odd panels here and there that I used to be able to do. But we’ll see. I’ll try to keep it going more often.
February 28th, 2008 at 7:31 am
And I thought Two and Three had bad relations! Hooray for more inter-Doctor banter. Also, points for Six’s threat there. But Four doesn’t know about the Pharos dish, does he? XD
February 28th, 2008 at 7:33 am
Well, he SHOULDN’T. But all bets are off in multi-Doctor time distortion stories.
I mean, unless we accept the season 6a fanon, how could the 2nd Doctor know the ultimate fate of Jamie and Zoe in “The Five Doctors”?
February 28th, 2008 at 8:29 am
I just discovered this a few days ago thanks to a writer’s blog and it\s amazing you have all the characters down to a T well done
February 28th, 2008 at 8:33 am
Delightful! Enjoyed every word of it. I do like Colin quite a lot, having met him and had the pleasure of chatting to him. I still can’t help but wonder where Nine is, and what he’s up to.
February 28th, 2008 at 8:52 am
Sqweeeee! An update! *does happy dance*
Many others have already said this, but I also love the barrage of one-liners from 6. You’ve captured his arrogance perfectly, especially in the way he brushes off 4’s objection to him starting space battles over Earth… (Oh, you deal with it…) Mind you, it’s good to see 4 hasn’t lost his nerve - despite all of 6’s great lines I think I got my best chuckle from, “You give new meaning to self-loathing.”
February 28th, 2008 at 9:06 am
I knew they wern’t going to get along, but then again 6 was the extreamly arrogant one. I’d be suprised if any of the Doctors got along with him unless it was an emergancy.
February 28th, 2008 at 10:08 am
Lovely work. Of course *you* know that the Fourth Doctor had a realively long lifespan — cosidering he was 749 in “Pyramids of Mars” and 760 by “The Power of Kroll” (provided he wasn’t lying about his age even then. : >
My favorite line is “You give new meaning to self-loathing”. Hahahahaha oh, that’s brilliant.
BTW it’s season 6 *B* theory not season 6 *A*. Either way, soemtimes its fun to just chuck continuity out the window a little bit and roll on with the fun.
February 28th, 2008 at 11:40 am
Finally Rich has updated
*waiting for this universe and every other universe on every side and edge of the void to implode, explode, eradicate, or obliterate itself)
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phew we’re still here and just in time, you nearly missed the end of the month, by the way, your art style seems to have changed slightly.
Guess my alternate page 83 is pretty useless now.
February 28th, 2008 at 11:54 am
In the words of Joel Hodgson: “It’s just a show, you should really just relax.”
I never knew why people got uptight about continuity in a TV show. It just means one more thing to worry about in something that is supposed to be worry-free.
February 28th, 2008 at 12:25 pm
Thank you for doing such a wonderful comic. Granted, I’m very new to the Who-verse, so a lot of the information and in jokes are a bit over my head. I’d ask for a score card, but I think that’d confuse me further.
February 28th, 2008 at 12:28 pm
I’ll go back and turn the Pharos dish myself
Genius.
February 28th, 2008 at 12:48 pm
Hurray! A new page at last!
Rich , you`re gonna have to update this more often man, making us wait like this is cruelty beyond words.
February 28th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
Well- I can only echo everything Heather posted above (partly because I’m not that good at squeeing myself
- but yay for a new page! and …yes, the self-loathing line was the best bit!
I do hope we see 4’s turn to shine soon! (And then, I suppose, the jellybabies shall return
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The gap did give me time to reread the 82pages this week at least, and I hope everyone is better now Rich!
February 28th, 2008 at 1:07 pm
This continues to be totally awesome. By all rights a story involving ten doctors with approximately 1.5 companions each, just about every major villain, a large helping of minor villains, plus assorted side characters, should be an unwieldy mess. The fact that this is intriguing and entertaining is a tribute to your abilities as a story teller and your grasp of the characters.
February 28th, 2008 at 1:12 pm
Glad to see a new page, but counter to the general glee of others, it is a little too ‘meta’ for me — one reference per page to other stories from the series is *plenty* for my tastes. Just my two grotzits.
And does nobody else find the Fourth Doctor too angry? Sustained anger doesn’t fit my perception of any incarnation. And surely his ‘life-span’ was more than seven years!
Rich, don’t get me wrong, I’m very impressed with what you’re achieving here. But I hope you don’t mind a little constructive criticism…. : )
February 28th, 2008 at 1:17 pm
That was worth the wait. If only 6 had been as well-written on the show…
Though I’m a little bit confused. How would 4 getting killed lead to 6 being 5 again?
February 28th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
If 4 was killed, then 6 would become 5 all that much sooner, decreasing his memories of being 4 and potentially increasing them as 6.
I agree 4 wasnt the angriest Doctor..but 6 has a tendency to bring that out in the other Doctors
He tends to be a touch more annoying and self-centered (tho all the Doctors share those two faults/endearments)
And yes, 4’s life span was much longer than 7yrs, probably the incarnation that lived nearly as long as the first one, the 7yrs bit was meant to be an in-joke that the viewers would get while the Doctors didnt (like the various “Baker” jokes) -6 is saying he knows 4 lasted a long time, but he’s surprised it wasnt only 7yrs, [i]not[/i] saying he’s not surprised that it was only 7yrs, see the difference? Or did I just make the confusion worse
February 28th, 2008 at 1:30 pm
oops my first sentence was more confused than the last!
I meant to type :if 4 was killed, then 6 would remember becoming 5 all that much sooner, decreasing his memories of being 4 by some years and potentially increasing them as incarnation #5 instead.
Clearly my post had one of those wibbly wobbly bad typing sort of things
But 6 is essentially saying, dont get killed right now, because I’d rather remember being you than celery boy…
Once I take the numbers out, my typos are far less confusing!
February 28th, 2008 at 1:39 pm
Marvelous!
February 28th, 2008 at 1:49 pm
BWAHAHAHA!
Oh perfect! Pure hilarity and Doctor-babble. Celery boy and, oooh, everything. That expression and pose as he shoos off Four. Actually, really, all the expressions and poses. This so could’ve just been talking heads, and you made it so very very fun to look at as well as read. Bravo. New meaning to self-loathing…heh. Aw man, fantastic page.
February 28th, 2008 at 2:42 pm
“Watch or I’ll go back and turn the Pharos dish myself”
LOL!!!!!
February 28th, 2008 at 2:52 pm
This is like awakening an egg and creating a new monster that feeds on 10 Doctors pages hope you start going back to the original drawing speed of the first 29 pages (one each day for a month), I doubt I’d be able to stand waiting so long for each page. Going back to the monster that feeds on pages, guess how the old one died. Now, I can sense a reunion between the 6, 4 and 9 group minus 9 and the 2 and 7 group if one Dalek Ship boards the other, then they could be joined by 3, 5, the Master and the group of alien delegates on board the Galactic Federation Ship once the allied attack force gets going, whic would mean 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7. 6 Doctors in a row, oo that would be a confusing problem for the Daleks, The Master, The Rani, and Davros.
February 28th, 2008 at 3:32 pm
This page is made of win
February 28th, 2008 at 3:32 pm
Rozzie:Thanks!
Rob H: Oh very cool! Yeah, he seems like he’d be a real hoot! I’ve managed to meet Sylvester McCoy at a con once, but that’s pretty much it.
Heather: Nope, there’s something indomitable about the 4th Doctor.
Lennie: Yeah, the 6th Doctor is definately solo material.
Stressfactor: Oh yes, I’ve always assumed (with some proof in many cases) that the various incarnations actually lived quite a lengthy time. The joke with the 7 years thing is that that’s how long Tom Baker played the Doctor for on television.
Right! Season 6b. Sorry. I make storyboards for children’s television and when we have to insert pages or scenes between ones that have already been numbered we start with a AFTER the original. For example: If I had to insert a page between pages 5 and 6, it would be page 5a. I keep forgetting that everyone doesn’t think that way.
Renegade Dalek: It’s a shame I wasn’t able to see your alternate page 83. Put it up somewhere and show us!
Sean: Yeah it’s a fine line. Remember that one of the things Joel and the ‘bots ripped into on those crappy movies was continuity errors. Truth is you have to be able to relax and enjoy it. And if your show says one week that going warp 3 or faster will destroy the universe, then the following week everyone’s cruising at warp 6, it will bother you. “But… last week they said… argh!”
I think it’s great fun to create something and keep track of the continuity, as much as it is to pick continuity apart. And then there’s the greatest fun of all, figuring out a way to explain away the continuity problems! I think “Season 6b” is brilliant and my enjoyment of the show increases as I mold this into the experience. It’s all part of the fun.
Tricia: I’ve been meaning to do just that, actually. A post with all the jokes and references explained. I’m just concerned that it will take me several years to do.
Lewis: Thanks!
Brian McCormack: I’ll post faster if you come here and do my storyboards for me. And while you’re at it, the dishes need doing and the baby isn’t sleeping well.
Mreen: Thanks! I think we’re all on the mend.
Burning: Wow! Thank you! Not that it isn’t an unweildy mess, mind you…but I’m keeping score on my end!
Gnome: Not at all. I have no problem with criticism. I will warn you though that I have no plans to go back and change anything that has been done. It’s all I can do to make sure I can generate new pages without going back and fixing old ones. Someday I’ll go back and fix the very heinous spelling errors and things. But in the meantime what I draw is what you get. I didn’t think that there was more than one reference in this page, insofar that any reference about the Valeyard’s involvement isn’t about ToaTL anymore, but about this comic itself. Or are you referring to the 7 years joke?
Jim: The 6th Doctor is just being funny. The over-simplified notion being that if the 4th Doctor regenerates, the later Doctors will vanish and a new continuity would have formed. Probably wouldn’t happen that way. But the 6th Doctor gets to jab at the 5th again.
Mreen: Clever!
Jayson: Thanks!
Laura: Thank you! I had a great time drawing this one. But the 4th Doctor does really need some equal screen time at some point.
Lisa: heheh
Renegade Dalek: … Oooookay. Yes, things are going to get confusing again.
February 28th, 2008 at 4:50 pm
I’m having difficulty posting it up, I tried to see how you did it on page 76 (which was the latest page when I discovered this site) but in case I can’t get it up,it goes something like this *”hem hem” clears throat*
THE TEN DOCTORS PAGE: 83
P1
4:(still holding 6 around the neck with scarf) You call HELPING a bunch of Daleks “getting something done”!!
P2
6: It’s better than hiding
(BOOM, BANG, BOOM, BANG several explosions shake the room)
P3
4: (releases 6 in shock) What Was That?
P4
Renegade Dalek (not to be confused with me): UNDER ATTACK!!
P5
(Outside an aeroplane style shaped Spaceshuttle can be seen firing laser balls at the Renegade Dalek ship)
P6
(Close up of the aeroplane shaped ship)
P7
The Master: (on board what is now revealed to be the galactic federation ship) Perfect, they’ll think that was the Imperial Daleks, we’ll shoot them and they’ll think it was the Renegades, then they’ll kill each other.
P8
5: They’re already at war, we don’t need to do anything.
P9
The Master: No Doctor, you just want to save yourself on both those ships.
P10
5: How did you know?
P11
The Master: You arrived with a previous incarnation.
P12
The Master: So you see Doctor, you will obey me, or I will kill the 2nd Dr. on the Imperial Dalek ship, erasing the 3rd Dr. here, erasing the 4th Dr. on the Renegade ship, erasing you here, erasing the 6th Dr. on the Renegade ship, erasing the 7th on the Imperial ship, erasing the 8th on Gallifrey, erasing the 9th Dr. with Drax, erasing the 10th on Gallifrey, whose partner, that old bat the First Doctor, the First, Last and Only Doctor.
P13
3: But as you have just explained, I am here twice and twice on each Dalek ship, either of which could be boarding this one at any moment, you could have a maximum of SIX Doctors on your hands, you have never actually defeated one.
P14
The Master: Oh Doctor, next you’ll be telling me that the 8th Doctor, who is in Cho Je’s cave on Gallifrey with Leela…
P15
(The Doctor’s run off, illustrated by several horizontal lines, and the word ZOOM!! in big letters, with the Master, who just let slip a vital clue, in mid-sentence.)
The Master: Hey, come back here!!
P16
3: (in the Tardis with 5) the Master let slip 8’s position, he must have gone past him on Gallifrey.
5: (slightly confused) How, Why?
P17
(The Tardis dematerialises)
3: Getting a new body by the looks of it.
Synopsis: On board the Renegade Dalek ship, several explosions happen, which turn out to have been fired by thye Galactic Federation vessel, with the Master, 3, and 5 on board, the Master threatens to erase the 3rd Doctor onwards by killing 2, but then he accidentally lets slip 8’s position, the Doctor’s run back to the Tardis and dematerialise.
Okay, it’s a bit long but I wanted to have all the description, hope you like it, and the P stands for panel, so P12 means Panel 12.
February 28th, 2008 at 5:41 pm
Rich, you made me laugh at the end of a crappy day!
*pharos project*
*celery boy*
Bloody Brilliant
Thank you!
February 28th, 2008 at 5:41 pm
RICH SAID: I will warn you though that I have no plans to go back and change anything that has been done. It’s all I can do to make sure I can generate new pages without going back and fixing old ones. Someday I’ll go back and fix the very heinous spelling errors and things. But in the meantime what I draw is what you get.
: P I don’t expect any retroactive revisions… Roll on!
THEN RICH SAID: I didn’t think that there was more than one reference in this page, insofar that any reference about the Valeyard’s involvement isn’t about ToaTL anymore, but about this comic itself. Or are you referring to the 7 years joke?
The Valeyard bit was fine… it was too many ‘meta-story’ references for my taste… ‘Celery Boy’ and regeneration implications, 7-years, Pharos… Its the stuff that causes the ‘fan-boy’ in each of us to giggle with delight, but that makes the story gaze at its own navel too long. If they did this on TV the show would likely decline in popularity and fade from the screens.
Oh, right, it did do that…. : (
Personally, I like the new series approach, where such references and jokes are window dressing that pushes a ‘fan’ button (the Cyber-head in Van Stratten’s museum in Dalek) or they get ‘proper’ explanation with the context of the story. In either case, you never need to have past experience to follow the discussion or follow the story. We don’t have to have seen everything from The Time Warrior to the Hand of Fear to appreciate Sarah Jane crossing paths with the Tenth Doctor on screen. It adds a lot to the meeting if you have seen those old stories, but you can also just understand Sarah Jane is what Rose is, only from some time in the past…
er, I’ve gone on long enough, haven’t I?
February 28th, 2008 at 6:28 pm
Oh, yay! This page is so fun. It’s good to see the Doctor squabbling with himself again.
February 28th, 2008 at 9:15 pm
Thanks Rich! Really fun perspective of dueling egos! I so looked forward to this! It’s my favorite addiction, Dr. Who, and you’re helping me through the seasonal wait. I am laughing like a fool reading it in the library and wish I could share it with someone. I attended the L.A. convention and told everyone I could about your page. Keep up the good work!
February 29th, 2008 at 2:31 am
NINJA FOUR!
And now for something completely different.
Hmm. If there was a baby TARDIS, would it be like…a mailbox or a newspaper stand or something? I bet it’d be adorable.
February 29th, 2008 at 5:10 am
Nice. We so rarely get to see Tom genuinely ANGRY about anything — shocked and appalled, but not often angry — but Colin is just the type to really tick him off.
And the Beeb themselves seem to accept Season 6b. It’s mentioned on their own DW website.
February 29th, 2008 at 7:27 am
YAY!
Six is SO AWESOME when he’s being a total jerk.
February 29th, 2008 at 8:32 am
A few people have expressed some shock at how angry 4 is in this page, but 4 always could really turn it on when other characters persisted in outrageously stupid behaviour. I recall several instances where he became utterly incensed. So far I haven’t seen him do anything in this comic which I’d consider out of character.
And Rich - don’t listen to those who harp at you to produce, produce, produce! As much as I’m anxious to see new pages I also don’t want to see you burn out and stop before the end, so take them at whatever pace you can manage. Heck, if I lived close enough to you, I’d even come over and help with the dishes.
February 29th, 2008 at 8:36 am
This just makes me wonder now, is Tom going to get along with Pertwee? Most likely not from my point of veiw. Pertwee’s Doctor was proper and so on and Tom’s is a… shall we say clown?
February 29th, 2008 at 11:38 am
I wonder what it says about the Doctor’s personality that just about any time more than one of him get together, there’s some squabbling and exchange of insults:
One, to Two & Three, in The Three Doctors: “So you’re my replacements — a dandy and a clown!”
Two, to Three, in The Five Doctors: “Goodbye — Fancy Pants!”
Three’s reply: “Scarecrow!”
Five, after the others have left: “I’m definitely not the man I was … thank goodness!”
February 29th, 2008 at 11:53 am
Has anyone looked at the script for my alternative page 83 yet?
February 29th, 2008 at 12:17 pm
JustAWanderer - think how embarassing it would be to watch yourself, say on video, when you were younger and wore silly clothes - and thought that you were great. That might be how the later incarnations of the Doctor feel. Conversely the earlier Doctors probably resent their ‘replacements’ automatically - each would prefer to think of himself as the ‘latest’ model.
February 29th, 2008 at 12:30 pm
Plus it’s hard to know which person to speak in, “you see, I, we,” “for me, us” “It’s mine, ours” are they one person, or ten.
Now, are you ingnoring my page 83 script, only no-one seems to have mentioned it since I posted it.
well, are you?
I wonder what’s going to happen next, if the dalek ships dock each then, 2, 4, 6 and 7 would be re-united, and if like in my page 83, the Galactice Federation force gets going that would bring 3 and 5 back to scene, then 9 could end up on Gallifrey with drax and find 8, then lead 1 and 10 there, who could then go to the dalek Ships, so they would all be re-united, then, if it’s over 21st century earth and the Daleks landed there, or if the Doctors questioned the Rani, the Companions would be found, then as somebody mentioned, they’d meet Grace at the hospital, then unit and torchwood showed up, well ther you go.
February 29th, 2008 at 1:04 pm
Yes, Back to Four’s Anger…:
I don’t think it is out of character that he’s angry. I think it is out of character that he stays angry.
If, say, panel five or six had seen him completely change mood, put on a big smile and then mention that Six gives new meaning to self loathing, THAT’d be in character. In the show, part of what made Four seem alien and what made him so entertaining was his ability to genuinely react to a situation while alternating with a kind of third-person observation of a situation. To put it another way, he’d be *in* a scene and *commenting on* a scene simultaneously. Being both appaled and amazed by the shrunken planets in The Pirate Planet springs to mind….
February 29th, 2008 at 2:34 pm
THUD! *Falls off chair laughing* “Celery boy”!
Bravo Rich! Bravo! Encore!
February 29th, 2008 at 3:48 pm
Awesome work! The Bakers parry off each other very well. =)
February 29th, 2008 at 3:51 pm
Also: Dealing with being celery boy v/s Dealing with celery boy.
Wouldn’t he actually have to ‘be’ the ‘Professor’ since that’s the following regeneration?
February 29th, 2008 at 5:22 pm
Renagade Dalek - your alternate page 83 was cute and interesting. Its not so much ignored, but as this is Rich’s comic comment section and not a forum, people usually post their reaction to his comic, and not so much about others comments.. I expect you will get 1-3 comments in a week, more if you are very lucky, but again, it’s not meant to a forum per se, so dont pin a lot on reactions here. If you belong to a local fan club tho, maybe you could show it around there to fellow readers.
*sorry if I’m speaking out of turn, just throwing in free comment/advise (worth all it was paid for) till Rich has time to scoot back here and reply when he wants to be busy on that next page
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February 29th, 2008 at 5:44 pm
Well, Rich is a kewl guy with kewl comics. I may get silly about those long periods between updates. But I’m quite aware of his RL obligations. As should we all. If I was expecting replies to my posts, I’d be screaming bloody murder for some of my jokes that didn’t get a single one. Patiance young Renagade. He said he wanted to see it, and I’m sure he’ll comment. It just may be a while. Long live the Gorpo…Hip, hip, hazzah!!!
February 29th, 2008 at 6:30 pm
John Wolfe - my take on that was he (6) was commenting on what his memories would be if #4 was killed a few years early, he’d remember becoming celery boy(5) that much sooner. Or worse yet, from 6’s point of view, having celery boy by his side suddenly.
But I think I posted on that at length here, so I’ll stop now.
February 29th, 2008 at 7:01 pm
“There are a few how do you do that?” questions i’d like to ask:
1. How do you post pictures, you did it on page 76 with that what’s the Dalek saying when he rings the bell competion.*
2. How do you put hyperlinks on comments? rich did it one page 36, and somone else did it to thier website.
3. How do you put those little yellow smiley faces on them such as the recent comments from Mreen
and the creeping spleen*?
*1 how about “Pest Exterminator, (slightly quieter) your the pest I’m the exterminator.”
*2 hey that rhymes.
February 29th, 2008 at 7:11 pm
Testing.
If those worked, then all I did was type in the html codes to put in an image, and a hyperlink. for an image, you type without the spaces. for a link, it’s Text you want to be the link , again without any spaces. Sorry if this doesn’t work, the post can be deleted.
(Smilies are just smilies. : ) or : ( or : S or whatever. Without the spaces, again.)
February 29th, 2008 at 7:14 pm
Well, darnit. I did put a heckuvalot of spaces in there, too. I did have the coding in there, but now it’s disappeared. -_____-; Ah well, I’m not sure how to post images, and if you want to learn the html coding to make a link, just look up ‘making an html link’ or something like that on google. They’ll tell you.
You could also upload the image to photobucket and then link to it.
February 29th, 2008 at 7:49 pm
If you have a whole page, put it up on photobucket and link to it, or it will end up so tiny that you cant read (as myfirst pics I put in page 76 were) for smilies: put a : for the eyes, and ) for the mouth, but have them right next to each other and nothing else touching them (leave spaces). It’s eyes, than mouth. You can vary the mouth with D for big grin p for tongue sticking out, and ? for funny/unsure wobbly face, and some areas take the ; for a wink. It’s fairly basic stuff. Normally I put for a grin, but they disappear here as are used for coding commands.(big bboard forums often switch to [ and ] for the same codes as they have their own set of posting commands).
February 29th, 2008 at 11:58 pm
I’m happy to see another page before the end of the month, even if it took more then a week. I understand RL can get in the way. Update when you can and I’ll check everyday, if there isn’t a new page I can still have fun reading the comments.
Oh and happy Leap day! February 29th, the day that only happens once every four years. I’m not sure what time it will say when I post this, but it’s still the 29th here.
March 1st, 2008 at 12:06 am
*looks at the time of the post* Wow, that is REALLY off. It’s five hours ahead of me. Seems I made the post just in time.
I forgot to say earlier, I like the Baker Vs. Baker thing as well. “Celery Boy” and “You give new meaning to self-loathing.”
March 1st, 2008 at 2:17 am
Just started reading this yesterday, and I love it (which is saying something, considering I’m a fairly new fan and have to keep running to Wikipedia for explanations)! I can’t wait for the next installment.
March 1st, 2008 at 8:49 am
‘Watch it or i’ll go back and turn that pharos dish myself’ HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
March 1st, 2008 at 8:53 am
Renegade Dalek (re:Script for alt.pg83) - Really all you have to do is type the URL into the message window. It’ll appear as a linkable URL on the comment that people can click on. The only thing that doesn’t seem to work for anyone who doesn’t have administrative powers is putting pictures directly into the comment. If you just put the URL in I can add the code in after. Or, if it’s too large, we can leave it as a link.
As for your script itself, very cute, heheh. Having trouble hearing the Master saying “– Hey, come back here!” though. And the 5th Doctor’s right. Showing up just to provoke a battle between Daleks obsessed with destroying eachother is kinda pointless. Still, I am amused.
Gallifrey: Yay! Glad it made you smile.
Gnome: *Nods* I guess I can see your point about it being Meta. But it is written by a fanboy, for fellow fankids. So..*shrug* paint me guilty. Personally I’m a big fan of the drops of references. And there’s a lot more of them in the new shows then many people realize. Yes, there’s the obvious ones like the Cyberman head in the glass case and Sarah Jane showing up with K9. But then there’s the real subtle tips. Like the fact that the Face of Boe comes from the Isop Galaxy. Or the incidental appearance of the Macra. The secret is to do it subtly so that new fans aren’t put off and old fans are left squeeing. This comic, however, is not about subtlety. I’m laying my meta on with a steamroller. If people enjoy the ride, I win! If I’m left on my own giggling to myself over my doodles, I still win.
KelincilHutan: Heheh, thanks!
Lady Tweed: Yay! Thanks for spreading the word!
Mea Culpa: Heheh… baby TARDIS, eh? We had loads of fun coming up with new shapes when I was running the Doctor Who RPG some years ago. We had the obvious (Phone booth, small spaceships, trees, rocks, pianos, pillar boxes, doors..) to the somewhat more strange and unusual (Suitcases, lamp posts, Daleks) right through to the totally weird, cool or ridiculous (Huge pillar of fire, fog bank, giant egg with hinged doors on the front, miniature of the Tomb of Rassilon, gigantic egg timer, etc).
Evil Midnight Lurker: Yeah, sustained angry 4th Doctor is a bit of a stretch, but if you read through the sequence in one go, it really isn’t all that long, and he IS being berated by a future, somewhat embarrassing incarnation. As for season 6b, that’s great! Its pretty much the only way to explain away the 2nd Doctor’s later appearances and it opens up a whole world of new possibilities for him.
Cynthia Wakefield: Hahah, he certainly can be!
Heather: Actually I found him to be positively grumpy almost all the way through Logopolis. Granted, he was aware that he was going to die through most of it, the Master was being a total jackass in his mind, and add to that the fact that whiney Adric was his sole companion at the start….
Lennie: There are a few Doctors who simply couldn’t get along with any of the others because they’re so… erm… individualist? I dunno. The 4th Doctor and the 6th Doctor in particular I can’t see getting along with the others. In fact, I imagine all of them pretty much just tolerate the others when they have to. Except, as you can see, my 2nd and 6th Doctors who are just so similar and fun loving that they’d probably get a kick out of hanging out for a bit.
JustAWanderer: I’ve always felt that the Doctors have tried to make the best of whatever regeneration the’ve given and, after a period of uncertainty (for some, like the 5th Doctor’s melancholy comment to the mirror: “That’s the trouble with regeneration, you never quite know what you’re going to get.” or the 7th Doctor’s sulk “You don’t understand regeneration, Mel. It’s a lottery and I’ve drawn the short plank.”) they settle in, get used to the new body and then the arrogance comes back. They each feel that they’ve improved on the last one and can’t forsee the other’s attempts as an improvement. They all feel they’re the pinnical of themselves. I can imagine that it’d be the same for any of us. Imagine meeting youreself in a past form. The early teenage you and the opinions and behaviour you had at the time. Or a future you where you’ve aged noticeably and your feelings about the world have changed again. Sometimes it’d be fun. More often you’d argue impatiently with yourself, I think.
Renegade Dalek: Yes, sorry about taking so long to get back to you.
Dr.Bunsen: Perfectly summed up what I was rambling about. Thank you.
Renegade Dalek: Yes, the writers do have fun with mixed pronouns.
No, nobody’s ignoring you. But this is a comment area. Not a forum.
Guess you’ll have to wait and see what happens next! Mwah hah hah.
Gnome: Watch Logopolis again.
The Creeping Spleen: *bows* Thanks!
Jonn Wolfe: Heeheh. Thanks. If by ‘Professor’ you mean the 7th Doctor, that would be if the 6th Doctor regenerated. What I think would REALLY happen if the 4th Doctor was killed by Daleks in this storyline is that everything from that point foreward would alter and cease to exist. The 5th through 10th Doctors would vanish and be replaced by a totally new 5th incarnation that didn’t resemble Peter Davison necessarily at all. I think the regenerations are at least partially situationally and environmentally influenced. And if it did wind up looking like Peter Davison, it might have a totally different personality. So the comic would continue with the 1st, 2nd, 3rd and new 5th Doctors. And the universe would be really screwed up.
Mreen: No, you’re right. But if anyone has comments to make about RD’s page, please feel free to do so.
Captain Shade: Thanks for the backup there. I do live in the RL and visit the intarweb when I can.
Mreen: I hadn’t considered that before, actually. But it makes sense. When the 2nd Doctor was genetically altered in “The Two Doctors” it took a while for the effects to travel through the time line to catch up to the 6th Doctor, and he managed to stop it before it finally took him over. So maybe you’re right. My theoretical 5th Doctor mentioned above might show up right there and the 6th Doctor would know that he had to start doing some crazy time damage control before the alterations caught up to him and he turned into whatever new 5th Doctor regenerated into.
You know, this is a fascinating concept. Might be fodder for a future 10 Doctors comic.
Renegade Dalek: 1: See above.
2: Just like regular coding. Or just put the url directly into the comment box.
3: The emoticons appear automatically when you type the symbols. Colins and brackets and stuff. Unless the settings don’t work with your particular isp, server, browser, etc etc.
wulfae: Yup. I think the ability to do certain codes are disabled for anyone who’s not admin.
Mreen: Yes.
Sailorgreeny: Thanks for reading and enjoying. Hope your Feb 29th was a good one.
Aynisha: Haha! Welcome to Doctor Who geekdom. I’m glad you’re enjoying it!
Rich: …. RICH??? Oh no! Are you a future incarnation of me? *Next week on “The Two Riches”…*
March 1st, 2008 at 9:34 am
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March 1st, 2008 at 9:35 am
No it didn’t work.
March 1st, 2008 at 9:37 am
Gah! What did you try to do?
March 1st, 2008 at 1:10 pm
I’ll put it like this
“What exactly is URL or HTML?”
March 1st, 2008 at 2:47 pm
A URL is basicaly the website’s address…AKA the link to your page.
March 1st, 2008 at 4:05 pm
RICH SAID: “There are a few Doctors who simply couldn’t get along with any of the others because they’re so… erm… individualist? I dunno. The 4th Doctor and the 6th Doctor in particular I can’t see getting along with the others. In fact, I imagine all of them pretty much just tolerate the others when they have to. Except, as you can see, my 2nd and 6th Doctors who are just so similar and fun loving that they’d probably get a kick out of hanging out for a bit.”
Well, first, I assume you mean the 7th. And second, I think the 10th Doctor might be an exception to that theory. As seen in Time Crash, he seems that if it weren’t for the threat to the universe part, he would be delighted to see all his past selves again, even the 6th! I imagine he enjoys a chance to hang out and save the universe with his past.
I also don’t think the 6th Doctor is that bad. In fact, deep down, he’s probably as friendly as the others. I think he means well, but his brashness seems to always get provoked.
March 1st, 2008 at 7:18 pm
Sean: Doh. Yeah. The 7th Doctor is what I meant. And I don’t know about the 10th. I mean, yeah he was delighted to see the 5th Doctor at first. He’s been the last Time Lord for a while now and the 5th not only is SORT OF another Time Lord, but also reminding him of a time when things weren’t so glum. But he started picking him apart like the others all did, muttering about the back of his head and commenting on the celery. Most telling, I think, was the bit where he goes on about how the 5th Doctor didn’t use the sonic screwdriver. I’m sure if they were thrust into a lengthy adventure together they’d start bickering again. The 5th Doctor certainly had no problem ripping into him.
On the other hand, the 10th is a bit more of a free spirit than many of the others. So it could well be that I’m wrong about all that.
As for the 6th Doctor being “as friendly as the others”…. you should watch his episodes again. “The Two Doctors” in particular. His arrogance far outshone his congeniality on MOST occasions. He seemed to start mellowing out by “Trial of a Time Lord”, but not a whole lot.
March 1st, 2008 at 7:47 pm
I would really like to begin a doctor who comic strip just like yours but i can not draw I can come up with ideas for a story line and would really like to know how and where to go to begin a strip like your’s
I have been out trying to get some information on how to get started with beginning drwaing and would like to know if you need softwear or can you download some stuff to get going.
I would like to begin a strip like yours but with some added characters Doctors companions et all.
can you give me any info on how and where to begin please email me back as soon as possible so that i might get going on this kind of thing.
How did you set your comic strip up it is very good and i would like to do one very samilar but with addtional characters.
Please let me know straight away.
Thank’s Jay!
March 1st, 2008 at 7:55 pm
Yes, that’s true, but in the audios, he seems to have mellowed out far more, and was portrayed as happier and calmer.
Colin Baker himself has stated that had he stayed on for as long as had been intended, it would have been revealed the beneath all the melodramatic arrogance and whatnot was a heart of gold. “Underneath his blustering exterior, he was more determined than ever in his universal battles against evil, possessed of a tenacity and a thirst to do what was right that was far more visible than ever before.”
You yourself, Rich, have shown his caring side as well, on page 35, when he comforts the 9th Doctor.
March 1st, 2008 at 9:10 pm
Jay: Uh…. gee Jay, that’s a tough one to answer. I have been drawing since I was a little kid. I took art lessons in High school went to a special art college and have been drawing professionally for animation studios for a long time now. I don’t use any software for the comic itself. I draw with HB pencil on normal white paper and use Photoshop only to scan it in resize it and do the lettering. We use iStrip for making the website for the other comic “Yet Another Fantasy Gamer Comic”.
When I started this thing I just took a regular piece of paper, divided it into 8 panels, photocopied it a bunch of times and started drawing. That’s it.
In college and on the job I learned a lot about storytelling, layout, character design, storyboarding (which I’m doing now for several different kid’s shows on TV) and so on.
All I can tell you is draw draw draw. The more you do it, the faster you’ll improve. It took me over 30 years to get to the point I’m at now.
Sean: Yeah my exposure to the audios is a little limited, but from what little I’ve heard he does seem to be a bit more amiable. I have always actually assumed that this is the direction his Doctor would have taken as well, and I do give a nod to that in this comic. I’d like for him to be likeable. He did get severely shortchanged in the series. Important note, though. I am basing this comic off of what was seen in the show for the most part, with only a passing and occasional miniscule acknowlegements of other media (book, audios, etc) Since my exposure to them is similarly petite.
March 1st, 2008 at 9:28 pm
Oh man, I love the audios. I mean, I like the blustery 6 from the show, but I love how he’s just got a squishy marshmallow center in the audios (imagery just has to be used since he’s the only Doctor I think I’ve ever heard say to a companion “I think we both need a cuddle.”). Actually, these days, I find 6 a lot more loveable than 10, because while 10 seems open and inviting and fun, that’s him on the outside, and he can turn around and be cold and scary, and it’s much more frightening than 6’s bluster (or even violence) ever really was to me. And then you have 6, who’s all loud arrogance, and then inside, well, like you said, heart of gold.
(Judging from a couple other places I lurk, I think today is unofficial Love on Six day…)
Though his comforting on page 35 smacks more of “Come on and get over it” than actual Six-styled comfort.
Jay, I’m not Rich, but I do know a bit about drawing and scripting comics. I can’t imagine why you’d need software to draw. Certainly photoshop helps in the cleaning-up process, but if you’re just learning you to draw, that shouldn’t be too high on your list. As to writing a strip and all, I have to ask, and I don’t mean this in a mean way, but is English your first language? Because if not, you may be better served doing it in your own language and having a friend do translations for you, like a few webcomic artists do.
As to how to get started drawing, it’s pretty simple–you pick up a pencil and start. I mean, there’s all the tutorials you can find online about how to draw heads/feet/people/hands/etc, and those are good starting points, but mostly, it comes down to just drawing until you know what you’re doing.
…
I’m told that part comes eventually…*checks watch*…aaaaany day now for me, I’m sure….
Man, Rich, your idea about the whole idea about the alternate 5 Doctor, and 6 (or any later Doctor) having to do damage control before re-regenerating, or whathaveyou…that’s pretty sweet and hardcore. Guess that’s why we all love this strip, man–you’re the man with master plans and the fantastic ideas. Thanks for doing this thing; it’s really just amazing.
March 2nd, 2008 at 12:02 am
Yes thank’s this sure does help somewhat.
So yeah i can try to do some of this I will try to find out what HB pencils are and this will help that i may not need softwear to get started.
Being as i am a beginning artist anything just might help.
I certainly can look up the infor that you did mention in your post.
I do ahve the ideas for the kind of comic that i want to do.
and I do have a scanner as well so maybe i can get going with some information real soon .
Any other ideas on how to get started will be great.
I can post again and see what i can find out to get started..
I have this kind of great idea for a doctor who comic.
So yeah i will sure try to see what i can do amd let you know on the whole idea.
Sure would be neat to get a strip going!
Jay!
March 2nd, 2008 at 1:19 am
“Watch out or I’ll go back and turn the Pharos dish myself.” Aha! Brillent, absolutly brillent. Number 6 just doesn’t seem to like his past selves alot, does he?
March 2nd, 2008 at 2:15 am
Jay, HB pencils are just normal pencils. They’re also sometimes known as ‘number 2′ pencils. If you were to find a pencil on the floor in a mall, it’d most likely be an HB pencil. All Rich means is that he doesn’t really use anything special or secret to draw, he just draws.
(I’m still looking for that file>make picture awesome button that HAS to be hidden in photoshop, somewhere.)
March 2nd, 2008 at 6:12 am
Yes Iwent out and got some lat night so maybe i can figure it out yet and get started with something.
i have the story line but need help with drawing it it i am not very good in art but stories are not to much of a problem.
Nay further suggestions are certianly welcome on how to get the drwaing done.
I can look up the info given to me so far that is good information.
Jay!
March 2nd, 2008 at 2:21 pm
Jay, If you want a good book that teaches drawing, check out the Preston Blair books. Seeing as I have no idea where you live, you might be able to find this in your local library. Wal-mart used to carry the oversized books published by Walter Foster, they might still.
This is what the collected version looks like. These books talk about construction and structure in your drawings, lines of action, and all that great stuff. There’s a few pages online, over at the ASIFA blog.
March 2nd, 2008 at 9:10 pm
A future 10 Doctors where one Doctor is killed off thru some weapon or instance that shifting timelines - and the others are slowly replaced, frantically trying to correct the timeline before they all become alternate people …that does sound like fun! Already I am seeing 10 trying to work with 5, to turn around and suddenly realize that Peter/5 is gone, and he’s talking to a SamBecket/5 looking Doctor. #4 had been replaced by a Garath Thomas as he looked in Blake’s 7 a mere 2 panals ago. #6 is working frantically, several panals later, trying to stop the regeneration as he begins morphing back and forth from Ramsey of the BBC’s Kitchen Nightmares ..
Sounds like a winner! Tho it might not even be 1/Hartnell that is killed off, but a later one, so the originals and the decreasing laters are working while their middle versions keep changing - perhaps even the middle ones try to fight it off as they realize their existance comes with a price - the potential destruction of the universe…
I’ll stop now as I’m sure you’ve got your own ideas you want to play with
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:35 am
So long as one of them is Philip Glenister.
Oh, I’d be lying if I said I totally didn’t really really want him for Eleven. Although I guess with Eccleston, we’ve already had a hardened Northern jerk, but dangit…I still wanna see it…
It’d be pretty cool if at least one of them did the whole morphing back and forth…crap, now I’ve got fangirly all over me.
Jay–Loomis books, if you can find them, are priceless for help with drawing. I think they’re out of print, but if you look around, you can probably find a pdf for some of them.
March 3rd, 2008 at 7:27 am
Thank’s for the continuing information.
I am out here trying to find out howmto get going on all of this.
I am not sure what you mean by and or about killing off a doctor in and all the doctors story line.
I think this has been kind of attemted a few time and it never really has worked because the Doctors are all linked to one another and to even diminish any one of them has very serious complications to any and all of the rest of them.
So to try this would not work because the rest of them would then find a way to reverse the death of any of therte pervious selves or all of them would run into what just might be a complete dead end to all of the Doctors.
i would not go this way with the Doctor’s but would bring in my own addtional charactors to issure that this will not happen
This is where i want to go with my own story line.
Which i do have in mind to do.
Thank’s Jay!
March 3rd, 2008 at 8:24 am
A very good and possibly true theory about the Time War being fake.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj31ajsuBTY
I suggest watching it. It’s very good.
March 3rd, 2008 at 9:52 am
hehe Yes, I’ve seen that before, and I have to say it seems extremely plausible. Now, whether it’s actually what RTD has in mind or whether “The Time War is a Sham” just happens to fill the currently available plot holes, only time will tell.
March 3rd, 2008 at 11:40 am
“… to even diminish any one of them has very serious complications to any and all of the rest of them.”
That’s rather what makes it so interesting. The idea would be something that awful and life-changing happening, and the Doctor’s incarnations having to struggle with the consequences.
Huh. Not so sure about that theory. Seems plausible, falls apart at the Susan bit for me (which is pretty small, admittedly). Why would leaving Susan on Earth in Earth’s future and then seeing her fine in the Five Doctors have any nevermind on the theory at all, if Time Lord time is relative to Gallifrey and each other? The Time War wouldn’t've happened yet.
It’s interesting, though. Sounds plausible. Doesn’t mean I like it (or maybe just the overall tone of the presentation). Would like to see Drax show up, though…
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:54 pm
Hey, RIch, if two or three references per panel is your ideal — please go for it! I wasn’t trying to rain on the parade. Honest! I just thought I’d throw in my own fannish (two-) sense. (D’you see what I did there?).
I’m enjoying the run and curious how it will come together. It feels like there could be another 100 pages or more to wrap it all up. Do you have an outline, or are you just winging it?
er, What am I looking for in Logopolis…?
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:15 pm
I’m just sayin’ it’s a fan comic designed to celebrate the series as a whole.
As for Logopolis, it contains a reasonably sustained grumpy 4th Doctor.
March 3rd, 2008 at 3:00 pm
Well, Tom was a bit subdued that whole season, and Logopolis *was* his final story, *and* he was made to act alongside a fairly immature semi-actor (to put it mildly). I’d be grumpy, too.
March 3rd, 2008 at 5:38 pm
Cool:)
Can’t wait for more. This is the coolest thing *they* don’t block/
~Levanta
March 3rd, 2008 at 6:32 pm
There are going to be 100 pgg, right?
LevanTa
March 3rd, 2008 at 6:51 pm
Laura, what the person was trying to say is that the Doctor can’t be the last timelord because there were a few timelords that were independent from Gallifrey like Susan and Drax.
March 3rd, 2008 at 7:47 pm
“Laura, what the person was trying to say is that the Doctor can’t be the last timelord because there were a few timelords that were independent from Gallifrey like Susan and Drax.”
Really? See, that I expected. I was hoping for Drax, Susan, and the Rani to show up again later, if they hadn’t all been called home (though if they freaking brought back the Master for the Time War…*shrug*). The gist I got from the vid was that the Time War had ended with the Daleks being captured and imprisioned, but instead of a prison keyed to any time traveler’s DNA, it was keyed specifically to the Doctor, who had his mind wiped of the experience, and had a new memory put in place, that of the Time Lords vanishing with the Daleks.
Then again, I was watching it in a hurry while getting ready for class, so I wasn’t really paying uber attention.
Either way, if the big important ending of the Time War is a lie…well, there’s a very fine line between surprising your audience (good) and lying to them (bad). The only thing worse than lying to the audience is boring them. The thing is, if you lie to them, you start to lose credibility. See Marvel Comics. “Oh man, they killed Banshee? Darn, I like him. Ah well, he’ll be back in a few years or something.”
March 3rd, 2008 at 10:30 pm
Ah, but that’s the fun thing about fiction, Laura, you can shape it to whatever you want. Currently The Doctor presumes he’s the Last of the Time Lords, but as we’ve learned there are others floating about. Especially when the Face of Boe once stated to The Doctor, he’s ‘not alone.’
However, I also argee with deceiving your audience because after awhile, they not only lose credibility, but interest as well. Still I feel the Time War thing was a bit on the deceptive side, since I’ve found it hard to believe a bunch of pepperpots destroyed Gallifrey. Something else had to be behind the planet’s demise, and the Daleks were inadvertently the pawns. Which seems to be the Time Lords’ Motus Operandi at times.
Still like the banter between Four and Six.
March 3rd, 2008 at 11:58 pm
Well, the sound of it was that it was the Doctor who destroyed Galifrey. I can see the Daleks as pawns anyway, but I’d still figure that they’d gotten their (figurative) hands on something so important that it was better to destroy it than let the pepperpots (and/or whoever was manipulating them) have control over it.
I keep going back to that line of the Master’s, something like “I was there when the Supreme Emperor took control of the Citadel” or something filled with equally impressive buzzwords. I remember in a DWM interview, RTD talked about how he had his own vision of what that meant, and that it was something truly horrific.
Yeah, back to the comic…that banter is great. This Six fangirl in me is well pleased (man, I love it when he looks like a disgruntled sheep…which is most of the time). Can’t wait to see what brilliant idea Four comes up with.
March 4th, 2008 at 1:58 am
Teehee.
This comic never ceases to amaze me. Quite entertaining!
Hmm. I’m interested in the rumor/gossip/speculation being told among fellow obsessed nerds. I HAVE heard that the Rani is going to show up in Season 4. I just hope that they don’t choose someone young and pretty. I mean, you’ve pulled it off here, Rich, but…
I mean, it seems like with the Tennant Doctor and the Simms Master that they’re trying to make them all…cool.
Does that make it sound like I have more faith in a fancomic author than the BBC when it comes to preservation of character? Because, I’m starting to wonder…
You should totally usurp RTD. I’d support you.
It’d be sorta like doing the 10 Doctors, only you’d have resources and flunkies and you’d get paid.
Whoops, switched rant topic. I do that a lot.
***SPOILERS BELOW***
Also, why is Rose coming back for 3 episodes? I mean, I like Rose, but isn’t that odd? I can understand a two-parter, but a three-parter is just weird. Like LotTL, sorta kinda maybe. And how are they going to do it? Coming through the universes for what, a last tragic goodbye again before being forced back? That sounds really lame and it’d make me smack someone. I suppose it could be another time-warp thing, and it would be a past Rose. That’s still kind of iffy, because then you have to do the memory wipe. Ugh.
Honestly, I wish they’d stop jerking us around and make up their minds once in a while.
And I’m happy ’cause they’re bringing back the Ood!
March 4th, 2008 at 4:53 am
***SPOILERS BELOW***
The Ood! Sweet! (Although their faces look a bit too much like…oh nevermind). I’m looking forward to the Sontarans, and I swear, I heard something about the Ice Warriors (I’d love to see Ice Warriors that were actually, em…scary, y’know).
I actually like Rose, and I’m more than a little miffed that she’s coming back. The only thing that annoys me more than that is that so many fans think that she’s going to be the one who’s jealous of Martha…which just…doesn’t gel.
And while I loved the Doctor/Rose relationship, I hope it doesn’t get sappy and mushy when she comes back. I want to see her cool and mature after working for Torchwood. I heard somewhere that it might be something with just Rose, Martha, and Donna, where the Doctor didn’t show up or interact with her or something. I wouldn’t mind that. It’s hard enough liking the whole Rose/Doctor thing in this fandom (seriously, some of you old-fen are a bit “hey you kids, get off my lawn!” No offense) without having RTD make even more mush than he already has.
If I had my way about it, it would be that Time Warp thing, just so we could A)get to see the Nine/Rose relationship (which I liked so much more than her relationship with Ten), and B)get to see Nine and Ten interact. Man, I want to see that happen so much. Nine would have absolutely zero patience with Ten.
I agree about the Rani–she’s gotta be like Rich’s Rani. Seriously, enough with the young, pretty things (although I will not complain about Simm…at all. I am a woman, dangit…). I thought Simm!Master made sense in context, just because he was like goatee-verse Doctor, almost. But when/if he comes back, I wouldn’t mind him being a bit more…classic…
Argh, I’m so just using this as an excuse not to be drawing. Sorry. I’ll stop.
March 4th, 2008 at 7:42 am
The real whole idea of the time war was not to wipe out the dalaks and or to destory the Time lords at all.
The real underlying idea for and about the time war was for the Doctor to wipe out the BBC and to put an end to all of this rubbish that he is canon which is not and never has been the Doctor is omnipotent he is all powerful and he has stated so just a few time I for one am sick and trired of this ccaon rubbish the Doctor is a complete free agent he ansewers to noone save his formed selves!
Just think about it if he finally does get free of the BBC and there infernal meddling with him what can and will he really do Hmmm!
I am far more then just another Time Lord and I am the final athority it stops with me there is noone beyond me to ansewer to no second chances!! Etc!
Oh i want this so bad I can just taste it!
The doctor is far more then he appears to be!
Jay!
March 4th, 2008 at 7:49 am
Levanta T: 100 pages? I think I’m going to need a hell of a lot more than that to wind this thing up.
Fangarius: Everyone underestimates the Daleks. They have always been a serious threat. They took over the Earth, established enough of an empire that entire worlds were destroyed or subjugated. Planets would band together just to fight them out of fear. By “Genesis of the Daleks” the Time Lords had resorted to illegal temporal interferance to try to prevent them being the threat they obviously became. If the friggin’ Sontarans could invade, I’m pretty sure the Daleks could do what they did. Anyway, I believe it was the Doctor who was forced to destroy everything, Daleks, Time Lords, & Gallifrey.
Still, I haven’t watched the video clip yet, so I’m just going by what I know so far.
Turnip: Thank you! Me? Usurp RTD? Become a full time producer of Doctor Who? *eyes shine with whistful gushing* Ohhhhhh… that would be so sweet. Don’t know how that could happen, but I woud SO LOVE to do that.
Laura: Actually, I did like Rose. I thought she was a reasonable replacement for Ace at first. Tough, streetsmart… it was the relationship crap I hated. Liked Martha too -at first. But her painful mooning neutered her. It’s not the new companions I hate, it’s how they’ve been turning the relationship between Doctor and companion into cheese-and-sugar oatmeal.
And my Rani, incidently, is supposed to look like Kate O’Mara. It’s not meant to be a new incarnation, though I grant that I gave her way too much height. I thought Kate O’Mara was pretty hot. *shrug*
*gasps in shock* WHAT? Draw draw draw!
Jay: Hmm… I think the BBC would just cancel him then.
March 4th, 2008 at 8:36 am
*hides eyes*
Uh, can we go easy on the Sesaon 4 spoilers, guys? I know it’s fun to discuss upcoming stuff if you’re a spoiler fan - but some of us are big spoiler-phobes and frankly I’m a bit miffed that months of me meticulously avoiding any mention of upcoming characters and whatnot has just been done away with by a couple of careless posters.
Please be careful.
March 4th, 2008 at 8:47 am
Honestly, i never really liked the Doctor/Rose companionship that much. No offence ment to her, Rose was pretty cool, but she was a like love interest and that not right. With all the years of him having companions and being more or less emotionaly detched, with the occasional companion death and him being emo for about one more episode.
Him being as emotionaly attached as he was to Rose just isn’t Doctor-like. I get that it’s after he belives he’s the last of his kind and all, but it’s absolutly riddiculous Me and my Whovian sister got a little pissed off after the episode with the space Titanic. It looks a bit like he’s turining into Captain Kirk! *shudder* Again, Rose was pretty cool, but love interests that serious with the Doctor aren’t really ment to be. EXPECIALY with a human.
***SPOILERS BELOW***
*Spoliers that I have heard of*
I hear there’s going to be an episode called The Doctor’s Daughter or somthing like that.
Besides the Billie Piper thing, I also have suspisions about the Rani comming back to.
March 4th, 2008 at 8:53 am
Thanks for the heads up, Heather. I’m not going to be reading any more of the comments on this entry, just for that.
If people must post spoilers, maybe have a great big SPOILER!!!!!! tage and then a couple of empty lines, so people who don’t want to read them don’t need to?
March 4th, 2008 at 10:02 am
[…] do enjoy this webcomic. The writer really captures a lot of the essence of all these characters (including the ten we know […]
March 4th, 2008 at 11:42 am
“Levanta T: 100 pages? I think I’m going to need a hell of a lot more than that to wind this thing up.”
Oh, there goes my thoughts.
March 4th, 2008 at 3:02 pm
I`ve just realised/noticed that one week today it`ll be ONE WHOLE YEAR since Rich started this!!!
And we`re still only on episode one…
Way to go Rich!
March 5th, 2008 at 7:07 am
Holy crap.. that long?
Actually it’s longer ’cause I started putting the comics up on Deviant Art gallery before we started this Comic’s Blog.
March 5th, 2008 at 8:49 am
The whole point here is that the Doctor does not need the BBC to exsits he is and has always been way beyond them to exsits the Doctor can live without the BBC but can the BBC exsits without the Doctor!
March 5th, 2008 at 9:00 am
Rich i want to send you some link’s which contain one of my mian ideas for my own comic strip series.
I have an addtional Doctor which i do want to add in my comic story.
Can i send you some links so that you can get an idea where i want to go with my own comic strip.
Please do let me know so that i can get my own comic strip going then i can sound it out somewhat more.
Jay!
March 5th, 2008 at 9:47 am
Thanks for going back and adding the spoiler tags, Rich. (I presume it was you who did it. If not, thanks Hilary.
) Hopefully in the future people who write about unaired epidsodes will add such tags themselves.
As to the relationship with Rose, I’m really in two camps. On one hand, there’s no reason why the Doctor shouldn’t be attracted to women, and find love in unexpected places. The classic series (especially in the beginning) was geared more towards a younger audience and so the Beeb just kept him very asexual. That didn’t stop his companions falling in love with other people - a couple of them left him specifically to settle down with the man of their dreams. So it’s nice to see the Doctor get a bit of romance in his life here and there.
On the other hand, Rose isn’t the one I would have picked for a love interest. For starters, he’s 900 and some change while she’s 19. Now, I understand that if he’s choosing from a human pool everyone’s going to seem like a baby next to him - but 19 is pretty young even by Earth standards. And gods, couldn’t he have found someone a little less whiny? Frankly, I think he’d have done better to have Rose as a regular-style companion for a couple of years, and then have Martha as his love interest. She’s much more on the Doctor’s level. Still, RTD wanted to have a love interest straight off, and Billie Piper was who they got as the companion, so that’s how it went.
March 5th, 2008 at 12:09 pm
Thanks for the spoiler tags - I have to be fast on the scroll button because just about every Doctor Who site has posters that seem determined to spoil things for next season - for those of us who dont want to know, its alway treacherous ground, no matter what the topic! Glad I can read your comic and the comments with someone looking out to help us stay spoiler free
March 5th, 2008 at 5:08 pm
You sir, are a wonderful, wonderful man, and I would like to steal your loved ones.
March 6th, 2008 at 8:23 am
How is Martha better? Because she had college education and a real job? Personality wise, Martha is actually less suited than Rose is. For one, someone with Rose’s background probably couldn’t even afford to become a doctor, even if she wanted to. Besides which, the Doctor is like, what, 1000? Older? And a /Time Lord./ The smartest humans wouldn’t be at his level. So, for companions education isn’t a factor for the Doctor liking them because they simply couldn’t match him. It’s not their fault, it’s just a fact. Therefore it doesn’t really matter if you’re a lawyer or a laundry person, the important thing is that spark that makes you Companion material. Which, in my opinion, Rose had more of. Take away her medical training and Martha has what, exactly, going for her?
March 6th, 2008 at 8:59 am
Actually, when I spoke of Martha being more on the Doctor’s level, I wasn’t referring to her education or upbringing at all.
Don’t get me wrong - I like Rose well enough, and I enjoyed watching her grow and develop during the series. But her pouty little girl act wasn’t terribly appealing, and to me it seemed that Martha’s no-nonsense attitude was more the sort of thing that should gel with the Doctor. Sure, Rose reached a point eventually where she was a bit more independent, but I always got the feeling that deep down there’d always be this core of whiny neediness, and frankly I don’t see the Doctor putting up with sixty years of that.
March 6th, 2008 at 10:59 am
“Take away her medical training and Martha has what, exactly, going for her?”
Martha spent a year walking all around a Toclafane-devastated Earth telling people about the Doctor. She also had to financially support him in Blink and make sure he didn’t do anything too unDoctorish in Human Nature for three months. Rose whined about being a dinner lady for three days, and her big act of companion heroism was nagging her mother into borrowing a truck to tear a hole in the TARDIS so it could semi-possess her. And at least Martha actually had some skills to take away.
March 6th, 2008 at 12:23 pm
Normally, if there’s two companions, there’ll be a human girl, who acts as the Damsel in distress, then there’ll be the alien boy who knows how to work the TARDIS controls and sometimes carries a weapon around. For example, in Bad Wolf, the Doctor and Jack both broke out of their games whilst Rose was still trapped on the Weakest Link and got transported onto the Dalek ship, actually why didn’t she just run? The Doctor and Jack had already broken into the studio to save her.
March 6th, 2008 at 12:42 pm
Celery boy:)
March 6th, 2008 at 2:11 pm
XD Martha whined.
http://sarcasticfox.deviantart.com/art/Don-t-make-me-laugh-64492813
Now, I’m not saying that I hate Martha. But I did find her somewhat annoying.
And frankly, I’m tired of people using the dinner lady thing as a point. It’s a totally different situation.
They didn’t know for a fact that there were aliens in the school, all they had was Mickey saying that something was fishy. They didn’t think it was important, just a waste of time when they could be off on another world.
With LotTL, the world has been taken over, the Doctor is a withered old man and practically out of commission, and that was the only possible hope they had. Everything is being controlled by a crazy, poweful Time Lord who gets his fun by wiping countries off the map with his army of almost indestructable drones. Of course she didn’t complain, she had bigger things to think about! With School Reunion, the biggest thing on everyone’s mind was getting it over with.
Besides, being a dinner lady sucks. Especially when the kids are all snot-nosed little twerps like the jerks that went to that private school. In my old grade school, one person from our class had to go help serve the food to all the other classes each day. Everyone hated that job; it smelled funny and the hair nets were killer, not to mention how plastic gloves get all clammy and nasty. I’d take an alien invasion any day.
March 6th, 2008 at 2:21 pm
“But her pouty little girl act wasn’t terribly appealing, and to me it seemed that Martha’s no-nonsense attitude”
Honestly, I’m constantly seeing this double-standard between Rose and Martha. For one…I don’t know, maybe it’s because in my family, we comunicate by jokingly complaining (oh, that Catholic Itallian upbringing, it’ll get ya every time…) all the time (mostly because we’re all of the opinion that, if something’s wrong, out with it, and if it starts a big hissy fit, well, at least it’s out in the air and over with), but I never really found her whiny. I’m not saying she didn’t whine, but, well, almost everybody whines. I didn’t find her whiny in particular.
Besides, if you want to press my whiny button, pining and sighing and making sheeps eyes will go so so much further to annoy me than griping or pouting. I had pretty much no patience for that sort of thing in high school when it was common, and I have even less now. So I never really found Martha that “no-nonsense” because even when she got the good sense to up and leave (although…leaving a fantastic adventure, pretty much for the sole reason that “oh wah, I have a crush on him and he doesn’t love me back!” seems a bit, well, sad), she still went about it like such a martyr (Sort of “Feel guilty because you’re not romantically interested in me!”)
Rose’s “whining” about being a dinner lady…okay, so…that’s whining, then? Because I just thought it was funny. There’s playfully griping about things, and there’s whining, and I really think that fell into the former category. As to the walking around the Earth, not to diss Martha, who is really cool in her own right, but I really think it’s, to borrow a metaphor from Joss Whedon, a sort of “moving at the speed of plot” thing. Whichever companion the Doctor was with would have to do it, be it Jamie or the Brigadier or Mel or Ace…they would’ve done it. The same with a lot of what she did. And I think that’s why Martha leaves me cold, just