February 13th, 2008
The 10 Doctors - Page 82
The 6th Doctor is using the Dalek’s confusion, pretending to be the Keeper who is helping them from Gallifrey. He assists in an attack on the Imperial Dalek’s mothership. The 4th Doctor has some questions about his motives.
February 13th, 2008 at 5:25 pm
And now the “Fabulous Baker Boys”…Another bit of silly trivia. Their names (in order even) is a mixed drink…A Tom-Colins…Wierd, huh?
February 13th, 2008 at 5:27 pm
Yaaaaaaaay!! It’s back!!
Although, judging by Doomsday’s use of “rels” doesn’t that make 15 rels about 15 seconds?! =p
I’m sorry, I don’t mean to nitpick…I love this really and don’t know what my existence would be like without it…
Woo!! Go Four!!! =D
February 13th, 2008 at 5:46 pm
Hahahahah… you’re thinking MicroRels, a division of Rels, which is, in turn, a division of MacroRels. Since Daleks always know the context in which they’re keeping time, they always refer to all of them simply as Rels.
Or, in other words… Crap. Caught again.
February 13th, 2008 at 5:52 pm
Ah, don’t worry, Rich, we’ll let it go! It’s still brilliant!
And I absolutely love Baker interaction. 4 has 6 by the scarf! Hilarious!
February 13th, 2008 at 5:54 pm
Excellent work. Six always clever (or devious, depending on your point of view).
February 13th, 2008 at 6:15 pm
Yay! So good and so intriguing… what is 6 up to?!
Oh, and I love the second to last panel where the 4th Doctor grabs the 6th by wrapping his scarf around him!
February 13th, 2008 at 6:19 pm
20-foot scarf use no. 19: effective garotting implement. XD
Excellent characterization, once again. I don’t know whether Six is happier that he’s in charge or that he’s pulling one over the Daleks’ eyestalks. Though I’m glad it’s Four that got to him instead of Nine; think of what HE would have done to Six if he found out what he was doing! D8
February 13th, 2008 at 7:07 pm
Nice. I love how you had 4 use his scarf to grab 6.
February 13th, 2008 at 7:33 pm
“Unlike the rest of us, I’m getting something done”
You actually made me like Colin Baker’s Doctor better than Tom Baker’s Doctor . . .
*Waiting for the universe to implode*
. . .
. . .
Still hasn’t happened *phew*, so maybe we get off lucky this time
February 13th, 2008 at 7:56 pm
I was wondering when Four would show up again. Your Six is very entertaining, and more likable than much of what we ever got to see onscreen.
I really wish some of the actors could see this comic. Betcha Colin Baker would find it cool.
February 13th, 2008 at 8:02 pm
Sweet, a new page! I’m curious how the room the Daleks gave six contained a four… Did six already know four was in there when he chose it?
February 13th, 2008 at 8:07 pm
scion: Oh that would be cool! I like to think they’d enjoy it.
wulfae: He snuck in the [now open] vent. He’s been listening in the whole time. See the recap page.
February 13th, 2008 at 8:46 pm
Heheheh! Leave it to 4 to immediately jump to grabbing 6 by the collar and accosting him *chuckles*
I was very glad to see an update! Can’t wait to see what comes next
February 13th, 2008 at 10:14 pm
Yay update! Six always had that slightest bit of a dark edge, compared to other incarnations. This should be most excellent =)
(Karanadon: nitpicky fans unite!)
February 13th, 2008 at 11:42 pm
oh frabjulous joy!, nothing like a new page to make a monotonous day at work, a jubilent one!
oh rapture!
February 14th, 2008 at 2:01 am
O.O Killer scarf of DOOM! *fears Four* (It’s the thought of something so untreatening and friendly as a weapon… That’s the Doctor. He may be friendly, but don’t underestimate him angry. …Not to mention, something I’m wearing right now. Gack.)
Go Doctor! You clever, smug, manipulative ol’ somethingorother!
And ninja who attacks from the shadows with a scarf…
*checks shadows*
February 14th, 2008 at 2:28 am
It’s interesting to note that nearly all the Doctors seemed to be involved in with the Daleks in some form. 2 & 7 with the Imperials, 4 & 6 with the Renegades, and 3 & 5 are about to help a war against them. And yet the Daleks are clearly not the ones responsible for pulling them from time, a job which apparently went to (supposedly) Omega and the Celestial Toymaker.
So what exactly is the GOAL of this story?!
Sorry, but I’m going to be going over this in my head for weeks now!
February 14th, 2008 at 2:52 am
Good show Rich… Nice to see 6 and 4 back in the fray…
Also nice to see 4 using his scarf as a weapon…
I look forward to when you switch back to 3 & 5 and we get to see the Sontarans, Draconians, etc… again…
Honestly, did you have much of this out in your head before you started, or are you a few pages ahead in your brain, or the ideas come when pencil hits paper?
February 14th, 2008 at 10:54 am
So I get up on Valentine’s Day and what do I find? Another new page!! Nothing says “love” like a new page of the 10 Doctors. To those who “love” the Doctor in all of his myriad forms and with all of his myriad companions…. Happy Valentine’s Day!
February 14th, 2008 at 2:07 pm
Hmmm - bit of a Harry Hill moment at the end there Rich.
“Who’s the better Baker? Tom? Or Colin? There’s only one way to find out - FIIIIIIGHT!”
February 14th, 2008 at 2:55 pm
It’s my Birthday and what do I find? A new page! I’m very happy now, even happier then I was with my friend visiting from New Mexico. I’m Looking forward to reading more. Thank you Rich.
February 14th, 2008 at 5:54 pm
YAY! New Page!
Just finished re-reading the whole thing from the beginning! Well worth the time I must say!
The scarf used as a weapon is brilliant! Now if I could only find myself one…
February 14th, 2008 at 6:01 pm
I just discovered this, wanting to see if there were any DW webcomics I could read by eating lunch. Having now read the whole darn thing through, from the beginning, I must say what a great job you’re doing. A Fanwank with good story, and humor. You must contact someone official, ink and color, and publish this as some celebratory graphic novel.
February 14th, 2008 at 7:08 pm
I agree what Ray is saying, your doing a brillant job, and have a fantastic story, and you got fans who it.
February 14th, 2008 at 7:09 pm
*got fans who love it
February 14th, 2008 at 7:51 pm
Wow, Number Four turning violent. Never thought I’d see the day.
Absolutly amazing, as usual. ^_^
February 14th, 2008 at 8:10 pm
Kind of fun to see 4 turn on 6 - glad to see them back in the game!
And I can see why the Doctor would say the traditional Rels rather than MacroRels.
The Daleks might find the Doctor’s use of MacroRels a little fishy.
February 14th, 2008 at 9:33 pm
Yay, new page! I love Four grabbing Six with the scarf. Hee~~
February 15th, 2008 at 12:47 am
I just found this the other day, and I’m hooked too. I’m most thrilled by the way that you capture each actor’s persona so well…the stance, the facial expressions, and the tone of the dialog. Like many others have said, I can hear each actor speaking the lines. Those are both impressive accomplishments alone, but together, and with a plot that appeals to the uber-geek in us…I can’t wait to see where it’s going.
February 15th, 2008 at 4:53 am
Tom Baker’s doctor had a definite edge, and I can imagine him being particularly riled by a future incarnation acting suspiciously. Excellent.
February 16th, 2008 at 11:10 am
All the Doctors are known to be devious, but 6 certainly had it down to an art-form.
You know, given that Colin Baker was both Doctor #6 and Maxil, and has appeared as both here, it’d be kind of fun to have Bayban the Butcher show up as well - though that would mean a crossover, of course. Heck, half the actors from each show appeared on the other one anyway.
February 16th, 2008 at 11:55 am
Hey, new fan here. I was refered here from the GAFF boards and have read through the whole comic to now…twice. Because it’s amazing. Great job with this. The story is fun, the characters are all very much in character, and the art is very cute while still managing to actually look like the actors.
Looking forward to your next installment.
February 16th, 2008 at 2:27 pm
A bit of classic scarf action!!!
February 16th, 2008 at 9:26 pm
Hot Baker-on-Baker action!
February 17th, 2008 at 12:58 pm
To EML: AHHH HAA HAA HAAAAAA!!!!!!
BTW, Visiting family in Los Angeles, USA this week and going to attend a DW convention while I’m here. I will be spreading the word of The Ten Docs. [Hope you don’t mind Rich]
February 17th, 2008 at 11:03 pm
Ohhhh, I get it! That’s an air vent behind him! I thought it was a computer on the wall, or a floating computer, or something. XD
EML: *dies* That’s awesome.
February 18th, 2008 at 12:26 am
Could be that 4’s just annoyed that 6 is doing more at the moment.
Maybe 5’s comment from the beginning about him actually showing up this time is still bugging him.
But hey, he’s only losing the spotlight to himself…
February 18th, 2008 at 2:08 am
I wonder what 6 is up to, and I hope that 2 and 7 are ok….I know, I know…wait and see. I still don’t like 6.
February 18th, 2008 at 2:28 am
I met Sylvester McCoy today. He really IS that short. Nice bloke, a bit odd.
February 18th, 2008 at 6:33 am
scarf use #1: Strangling People
February 18th, 2008 at 10:10 pm
Scarf use #2 - for companions to hold onto, so they don’t get lost. XD I laughed really hard when I saw Sarah Jane walking though the forest on the Planet of Evil holding 4’s scarf.
February 19th, 2008 at 8:04 am
Absolutely loving this, Rich.
Only problem is you don`t update often enough!
Talk about leaving us wanting more…
February 20th, 2008 at 12:52 am
Like ol’ Gypsy Rose…”Keep ‘em beggin’ for more.”
February 20th, 2008 at 1:21 am
haha.. Jim and wulfae! the idea of a DW illustrated guide: 1001 uses for a 20ft scarf XD
February 20th, 2008 at 10:09 am
Scarf use #3: tripping people
(Logopolis; Tom Baker’s suggestion, apparently.)
February 20th, 2008 at 10:13 am
Of course, there was the serial “The Leisure Hive” where somebody actually was strangled with the scarf. 4’s reply? “Arrest the scarf, then.”
February 20th, 2008 at 12:25 pm
In reply to “It was your scarf that strangled him!” lol
That was good.
I am as anxiously awaiting the update as everyone else…hopefully Rich will have some time soon!
)
(maybe we got spoiled bcs you were so good in January,
February 20th, 2008 at 4:00 pm
“You Don’t update often enough” well said McCormack, hi I just became a member, I’ve been trying to comment for ages, I’ve managed to crudley colourise one of the pictures from this comic.
February 20th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
Scarf use 4, Tripping up Giant Robots
Scarf use 5: Blinding Daleks and shoving them out a window
Still loving ya….
Comics
February 20th, 2008 at 6:36 pm
Testing the comments, they don’t seem to be working on this computer.
February 20th, 2008 at 7:33 pm
Scarf use #6: swinging from a tree in the middle of those forests the TARDIS always lands in.
Scarf use #7: pretending to be a snake/scarf charmer, to avoid the baddies who are chasing you. (It is of course also used for the turban, as well.)
February 21st, 2008 at 9:17 am
Scarf use #8: Measuring the bars printed on a wall to solve a puzzle to reach the Eye of Horus before the mummies.
February 21st, 2008 at 1:59 pm
Scarf use #9: keeping chilly air away from your neck. Waitaminnit…
February 21st, 2008 at 3:20 pm
Scarf use #10: Distracting the auto guard on Space Station Nerva
February 21st, 2008 at 3:28 pm
scarf use #11: Making people of thinking of scarf uses
Rich I love ya…
Comics
February 21st, 2008 at 3:33 pm
scarf use #12: Predenting to be: Tarzan or SPIDERPIG! SPIDERPIG! DOS WOTEVA A SPIDAPIG DOS! CAN HE SWING - FROM A WEB? NO HE CANT - COZ HES A PIG! LOOK-UT! HERES SPIDAPIG!
Scarf use #13: A Skipping Rope
scarf use #14: Tripping people up
Scarf use #15: To take to shreds to get to a zero room
scarf use #16: tying around my mouth to shut me up… HEY!
February 21st, 2008 at 4:54 pm
scarf use # 17: Teeth Puller (Tie One End Of It To Your Tooth And Another End To The Door And Slam The Door Shut)
February 21st, 2008 at 4:55 pm
Scarf Use 18: Hanging People
February 21st, 2008 at 7:28 pm
Scarf Use 19: To distract people from the fact it’s been over a week since the last update…I think I’m getting the withdrawel jitters…LOL
February 21st, 2008 at 7:42 pm
That’s three times I’ve checked in now, and still no new page, there’s wisdom in the opening dialogue of this page…
Keep up the good work Ritch…
February 22nd, 2008 at 11:44 am
Dafink, there’s no T in Rich
February 22nd, 2008 at 11:46 am
WHY ARE YOU NOT UPDATING, IT’S BEEN 9 DAYS SINCE YOU UPDATE 83 83 83 83 WHY AREN’T YOU HERE?
February 22nd, 2008 at 3:00 pm
I do hope Rich has at least scribbled the ending down somewhere, preferably in a safe-deposit box. And that he looks both ways before crossing the street, etc. Meantime I am fine to wait. It’s good to have something to look forward to.
February 22nd, 2008 at 4:30 pm
I agree George, Rich you better not keep us waiting any longer for the next page, the constant suspense and dissapointment is driving me insane. Uh can any one actually see the comments I’ve pu down.
February 22nd, 2008 at 5:46 pm
I’ve figured out another clue of this story, in panel 2 of page 18 K9 mentions “negetaive incoming power” which must have been the Rani’s TARDIS which kidnapped the companions a few mintues later.
February 22nd, 2008 at 5:47 pm
uh, what happened to my avatar?!!
February 22nd, 2008 at 6:32 pm
It regenerated!
February 22nd, 2008 at 9:58 pm
Jim North: lol, nice.
Still loving this comic, hope ur still alive rich, we’re all waiting.
February 22nd, 2008 at 11:56 pm
I R still alive!
Just had a crazy-busy-hectic few weeks. I have a new page in the works. Hang in there, friends!
February 23rd, 2008 at 12:39 am
Huzzah…The Beholder King lives.
February 23rd, 2008 at 12:52 am
Scarf use #20, blinding beholders. Sorry… Couldn’t resist!
February 23rd, 2008 at 1:33 am
Jim North: lol!
Renegade Dalek: Did you change the email address you entered in the form? *tests her theory*
February 23rd, 2008 at 9:10 am
I must have done, i was on a different computer, I missed a bit out. Wulfae
February 23rd, 2008 at 12:24 pm
Rich, please answer this question IMMEADIATLEY “Why are you not updating it’s been ten days since you last updated, that’s the longest ever.?”
*In Dalek style voice*
UPDATE IMMEADIATLEY UPDATE WITHOUT QUESTION UPDATE UPDATE UPDATE UPDA-A-A-ATE
February 23rd, 2008 at 12:27 pm
Hang on Wulfae, you’ve changed your avatar too, North, they cant regenerate
“(Jim North’s earlier comment)it regenerated!”
February 23rd, 2008 at 2:34 pm
Yup, I changed the email that I put in, Renegade, and it changed the avatar. I like the one that I usually have better though, and it’s also the email I check morefrequently, so it’s more my ‘real’ avatar. Or some such.
And Rich’ll update as soon as he gets a chance. He’s doing this on the side of a full time job, and a family, so we just have to sit tight until he has some free time that he feels like devoting to this comic.
February 23rd, 2008 at 3:29 pm
Scarf use #21: Unravel for a better trail marker than breadcrumbs, should you be wandering about the TARDIS interior, nuerons deep-fried in post-regenerative state.
February 23rd, 2008 at 4:01 pm
Personally, I’m GLAD it was the red scarf that got unwound instead of the multi-colored ones. I didn’t like that scarf, and Tom Baker says that he didn’t like it either.
Scarf use #22: Blind-fold up to three people. (tried it once)
As for Rich’s lack of updates, I understand that he’s probably very busy right now. Still, it’s an awkward situation, because Six has been struggling to get free from Four for about a week and a half now.
February 23rd, 2008 at 4:55 pm
hhmm, it’s just a second for them, we have to wait ages!
February 23rd, 2008 at 4:59 pm
out of intrest how do u do the tag thing at the side?
February 23rd, 2008 at 5:04 pm
Scarf use 23: winding into a circle to make a nice cushion, which I’ve done a few times, Ive got a Tom Ba-
*stops suddenly*
Anyway, how come I always seem to have several comments in a row, like I’m never commenting at the same time as anyone else it says 4:45 pm on my last comment, submitted seconds before this one yet it’s just gone 9 o clock here, how many of you come from countries other than England.
(That’s where I am)
February 23rd, 2008 at 5:11 pm
Another comment in a row, Rich you made a mistake on page 28 when you said that 9’s Tardis was linked up to 1, 2, 5, and ,7’s Tardis’s, it should have been 1, 2, 5, and SIX’S Tardis, as they were the Tardises blown up by 9.
February 23rd, 2008 at 5:53 pm
This is Hilary, posting on Rich’s account.
DO NOT spam the comments. Nonsense posts without content relating to the comic or a current discussion will be deleted.
February 23rd, 2008 at 6:04 pm
I was only saying, How come six was so shocked when four strangled him, he should have seen it coming, since he would have witnessed these events as Doctors 1-5 meaning he would know what was about to happen.
February 23rd, 2008 at 6:40 pm
@Renegade Dalek
Perhaps they were in different timelines?
February 23rd, 2008 at 9:08 pm
Bet it’s only a matter of time before 6 is found out….like, the actual Keeper contacting the Daleks from Gallifrey, and they’d be like, “then whose commands were we obeying??” They’d go look for him, but they’d find him and 4 gone. Haha…at least, that’s what I imagine….
February 23rd, 2008 at 9:38 pm
“hhmm, it’s just a second for them, we have to wait ages!”
Ah, the wonders of time travel.
Seriously, though, give Rich a break. Since he’s doing this in his own spare time, then he’s allowed to have a breather or two without people going nuts at him for not fitting his comic to their schedule.
February 24th, 2008 at 2:52 am
Renegade: Here’s where it gets a bit sticky. In the Three Doctors, neither two or three remembered the events in that episode, but they obviously lived through them, as one. To paraphrase something a pair of O’Briens said in an DS9 episode, “I hate temporal mechanics.” It’s a complicated bit of wibbley wobbley, timey whimey stuff.
However, in the recent Children in Need special, Ten remembers being Five and watching all of the events from Five’s perspective. Maybe that’s because it wasn’t an outside force bringing them together, such as the Time Lords in the three doctors or whatever is manipulating the Doctors in this comic, but rather the Doctor’s own failure in forgetting to put the sheilds up as he rebuilt the TARDIS.
Some thoughts.
February 24th, 2008 at 11:33 am
So your saying that if the Doctor just wanders into his past incarnations, they’ll be the real thing still in thier own timeline, so they remember it. But if they are sumoned (doubt thats the right spelling) by another force such as Omega, Rassilon, Or Someone in the High Council, then that’s taking them out of their timeline, therefore making it not real, just “Temporal Anomilies” so they wouldn’t remember it. I’ve been thinking, if the Doctors did remember then there would be no tension or panick, they would know exactly what was going to happen and exactly what to do. Plus the previous Doctors would know they were going to survive, because their future selves would be proof of that.
P.S. What exactly is a temporal Anomily?
February 24th, 2008 at 11:38 am
Scarf use 24: Whipping people who get annoying.
February 24th, 2008 at 12:13 pm
Hello, just wanted to say I’m only about twenty pages into this story, and it’s absolutely brilliant - can’t believe how well you’ve captured the likenesses of the different Doctors in the artwork, and their characters in the writing. Really really impressed.
February 24th, 2008 at 12:36 pm
Hello! I was directed here by James Henry’s site and have just read up to here - it’s really brilliant! Please keep going!
February 24th, 2008 at 1:22 pm
Have you ever seen the movie Spaceballs, Renegade? (If not, you should. It’s brilliant.) There’s a part in it, where they wind up watching a movie of the film they’re actually making. One of the characters exclaims “When does *this*,” which is them watching themselves on tv, “happen in the movie?” Another character replies “Now. It’s happening now.”
So to all the Doctors, maybe it seems like it happens ‘now’, when they are pulled out of their timelines by some external force. That way, none of them would be remembering it, because it’s all happening ‘now’. There’s a Justice League episode where they go into the future, and future Batman says ‘oh, we don’t have to worry, Old Bruce is here, we all survive.’ Since Bruce Wayne is there twice, once as his younger self. Old Bruce Wayne quickly dashes that hope, by saying he has no memory of these events.
For a better definition of ‘Temporal Anomaly’ than I would write, I googled it. I got ‘Any discrepancy in the flow of time,’ which sums it up pretty nicely. So something that shouldn’t be happening, time wise, but is.
I also hope these comments aren’t spam, but if they are, I can always stop. Just fillin’ time while waiting for the next comic to be up. n____n
The fans for this comic seem to be on both sides of the Atlantic ocean, Renegade. That explains the time difference between what time it is when you post, and what time it shows.
Welcome to James and Boz, too. You are now hooked.
February 24th, 2008 at 2:30 pm
This is brilliant! More soon please!
*hugs six and four*
February 24th, 2008 at 2:53 pm
Super use of the Daleks own policies against them! Ohh, the suspense of wondering if six will continue to manage it…Nice expressions on both six and four, completely in character! Dying to know what ten’s thinking, it must be completely blowing his mind to be on Gallifrey when there’s no possibility of its existance in his time-line. I think of time like origami: it can be a singular object, once folded lose almost all self- reference in its new form and unfolded is altered forever. Yet it remains the thing it was initially. Keep folding, Rich. I want know what this will ultimately become!
February 24th, 2008 at 3:40 pm
Just a question: in the 6th panel, is that a keyboard under the monitor? Two and Seven would never be able to reach it!
February 24th, 2008 at 3:50 pm
Well Wulfae, that explains about everything I’d been trying to find an explanation to. Actually, not to be rude or anything, how come you are often the one explaining it.
February 24th, 2008 at 3:52 pm
Yup! More soon, coming!
Thank you everyone!
Amy: Actually, *embarrassed* That’s supposed to be a vent shaft with an open grate. That’s how the 4th Doctor got into the room.
February 24th, 2008 at 3:58 pm
I don’t see how the villian could suceed, if he killed one of the Doctors, then the future doctors would never have existed. (Same sort of thing as my comment earlier) Plus most villans struggle to beat one Doctor, let alone ten.
February 24th, 2008 at 4:01 pm
Gosh, it said 102 comments, (now 103) minus m last comment and Rich’s, that makes my comment before that the hundreth one for this page!!!!!!!!!!!!
*Party Poppers Burst*
*fireworks bang*
Eh, Rich how do you put little smiley faces and hyperlinks on the comment.
February 24th, 2008 at 10:47 pm
I’m sure most of us don’t mind the lack of recent updates Rich, unfortunity, we know what a pain RL can be….
February 24th, 2008 at 11:01 pm
Oops! *I* should be embarrassed!
Sorry ’bout that Rich, I see it now. The hinge on the grate threw me off 
February 25th, 2008 at 2:41 am
Renegade Dalek: Basically the way I’ve seen it, just as Rich illustrated earlier between 9 and 10, as well as the Three Doctors, apparently when Incarnations inevitably encounter one another, a mindlink is established when they come into contact. Later when they return to their own Time Lines some inexplicable force temporally erases their ‘future’ memories as so not to screw up their existence, nor the TimeSpace Continuum.
Back to the comic, I was wondering when the Fourth Doctor was going to show up. I’m kinda like him, wondering what Doctor Six is playing at, considering he’s impersonating The Keeper with the Rebel Daleks. Though it’s a bit late, I did like the fact Glitz admitted he was conning Davros, I sort of expected either he would, or the Rani might’ve made another double-cross. You have to watch her, that one, as the Second Doctor realizes.
Now i’m wondering what Nine and Drax are up to, as well as the Tenth and the Meddling Monk, wondering if the Original Doctor and Ten will ever meet up with Eight to sort this mess out… ah, well. Great comic, you really know how to establish classic cliffhangers here, reminds me of how the Classic Who was like.
February 25th, 2008 at 11:32 am
Actually, Renegade Dalek if you go back to the earliest pages you will see that actually ALL the Doctors are confused about these happening. None of them remember this adventure — and they all feel they should. Nine does not even remember what he looked like when he was Eight and that was the first sign to them that something was very VERY wrong indeed and it seemed to center on Eight.
Also, most Time Lords in general have been shown to be able to recognize each other despite their regenerations and yet Rich has taken care to note that Nine didn’t immediately realize Ten was himself nor One that the other Eight were himself. Also, Ten and One have noted that none of the Time Lords on Gallifrey seem to recognize him either — and they should.
So basically, why no one remembers anything and why only a few other Time Lords — like The Master, the Monk, and Drax — can recognize the Doctor is all part of the BIG MYSTERY (say in that deep dramatic voice they use for movie previews).
As for none of the earlier Doctors being able to be killed — well, Rich also mentioned early on that someone seems to be mucking about in the Doctor’s personal time stream right now and causing a kind of state of temporal flux — in other words, imagine if history were fluid instead of set. Imagine you really COULD go back and stop John Wilkes Booth from assassinating Abraham Lincoln. Because history is no longer set it WOULD be possible to kill one of the earlier versions of the Doctor and a later version to still be around. Or, if you want a more “Who” based example…. In “The Two Doctors” when Chessene and Dastari temporarily and partially turn the Second Doctor into an Androgum it takes a little while but the Sixth Doctor eventually begins taking on some personaility characteristics of an Androgum. If the Second Doctor had been allowed to remain an Androgum then eventually Six would have transformed as well as the process worked its way up his personal time line.
February 25th, 2008 at 2:39 pm
Speaking of pages, i used some pictures from existing pages to create my own page 83, no copyright intended.
P.S. When 1 and 10 land on Gallifrey, 8 is then shown next to his Tardis, with 2 people in the backround walking away in the other direction which would appear to be 1 and 10, they just missed him.
February 25th, 2008 at 3:54 pm
Hello, anybody there?
February 25th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
Not again.
February 25th, 2008 at 4:35 pm
Renegade, be careful with what you’re posting. This isn’t really a forum, and people will reply when the check for updates. It’s not likely that anyone else will ever reply quickly.
I was thinking about the TIme Lord mental link thing… Does that only work with other incarnations of yourself? It’s forbidden to cross into ‘established’ events, which I take to mean your own timeline, and seems to be quite difficult/power intensive. All this being the case, how did the Doctor know right away that he could mentally contact his previous self and bring them into the loop? Was that mentioned by a teacher at the academy one day as ‘Oh, by the way, this will never happen to you since it’s forbidden, but you can talk to previous regenerations mentally.” I guess it could be an extension of Time Lords always recognising each other, even in different regenrations…
Since it does happen, however, I thought that maybe it only lasts while the other regerations of the Time Lord are in the same time stream, and as soon as the other selves go back to their respective ‘homes’, then the knowledge gained disappears. Otherwise, there really would be no drama, since one through nine would know how to survive anything, thanks to 10.
And while Ten seems to be able to remember things really easily, like identifiying the Macra in Gridlock, Two, Three, and Four have a bit fuzzier memories. They always remember earth, gallifrey, the Daleks, and the Cybermen, but anything else is iffy. If the story needs the Doctor to figure it out as he goes, he won’t remember. Sometimes, like in the Android Invasion, Four even laments his failing memory. (He’s also 749 at this point, in case anyone cares. Oh Doctor, you really are lying about your age!)
February 25th, 2008 at 4:54 pm
Four is not going to be a very happy bunny if Six doesn’t come up with a good excuse.
Great comic, i’m really enjoying this so far
February 25th, 2008 at 6:42 pm
This is Hilary, on Rich’s login.
Renegade Dalek: Since subtlety did not work, I am calling you out specifically. Stop posting in the comments unless you have something of substance to contribute to the discussion at hand. If you continue to abuse the priviledge of posting, your ip will be banned. Both Rich and I have day jobs at which we do not have internet access, and we respond to comments and questions once work and family obligations are out of the way for the day.
February 25th, 2008 at 10:00 pm
Wulfae, the mental link thing between incarnations has never been fully explained. In canon it made it’s first appearance in “The Three Doctors” where Three used it to put Two in the loop and later Three, Two, and One used it to share thinking and ideas. Since he’s used it in his Third incarnation I’m guessing that’s why Rich had Ten use it again here to bring Nine up to speed.
I suppose it is a somewhat natural ability since it has been pointed out both in canon and out-of-canon stories that the Doctor retains the same mind and only his personality traits get scrambled around. Since it really is the same brain then communicating telepathically with it should be as simple as talking to oneself. By the same token, linking up multple minds probably boosts thinking capacity. Similar to how you can get more speed out of a wagon with a four horse hitch than you can a wagon with a two horse hitch.
As for the remembering of events… Well, that too is a bit fuzzy. There are some hints in “The Three Doctors” that the Time Lords erased the memories of Two and One so they would not have any clues about their futures. “The Five Doctors”, however, seemed to indicate that the Doctors kept their memories of events but the companions (with the possible exception of Tegan and Turlough) did not.
Okay, I’m going to shut up now.
February 25th, 2008 at 11:38 pm
It’s also possable that the memories semi returned because the Doctors were once again “together”. Sort of like disconnecting, then later reconnecting and external hard drive.
February 25th, 2008 at 11:57 pm
Sorry…My last post may need a fuller explaination. And Hilary, or Rich can delete it if they wish. As it’s now semi redundant…
Anyway…Think of the Doctors as computers. And each computer each has it’s own files, plus the files of the one before it (i.e. the 1st Doctor, has it’s files. The 2nd has it’s own files, and well as the files of the 1st. And so on), All the way up to the “current’ Doctor (which has the copleat set of files). Now assume that the “current” set of files are backed up to an external drive. And that all new data goes to the newest Doctor, and is auto backed up on that drive as well. Now, when all the Doctors are in the same (usualy the current Doctor’s) time stream, you can LAN them together, and have them able to access the external drive. Now, as stated before all NEW data is saved to the current Doctor’s memory, and that external drive. NOT to the memory of any of the older Doctors. So when the adventure is over, the LAN, and/or external drive is disconnected. Leaving the memories of the preveious Doctors as they were before the beginning of the story. And the current Doctor with a memory of the whole affair. And as the companions tend to be LANed to their perspective Doctors by the TARDIS, they also are “unplugged”. What ya think?
February 26th, 2008 at 4:57 am
Captain Shade, I think that’s as good a way as any of looking at the issue. After all, imagine being the First Doctor, living through the events of ‘The Five Doctors’ five times over!
Of course ‘Time Crash’ trashes your idea completely, but it WAS only a Children in Need sketch…..
February 26th, 2008 at 8:32 am
“Time Crash” also happened completely inside the Tardis. And 10 didn’t really seem to have any foreknowledge of what was to happen until 5 showed up. So maybe Cap’n Shade’s theory still more or less holds water in that instance, too. As soon as 5 appeared, that ‘external drive’ linked up and since they were inside the Tardis 10 got all the benefits of that memory straight away… Except, of course, they spent a considerable amount of time inside the Tardis in The Three Doctors as well, so there goes that theory.
Maybe we should just say “The Doctor moves in mysterious ways” and leave it at that?
Let’s face it: the needs of each story will dictate how things work at any given time, and in a series as long-running as Doctor Who it’s bound to create some inconsistencies. It’s probably a miracle that there aren’t more glaring holes in the canon than there are.
February 26th, 2008 at 12:21 pm
I’m guessing that the mindlink between regenerations is deliberate and conscious, at least in this story. To use Captain Shade’s analogy, the Doctors have to make a conscious decision to hook up to the LAN.
Recall that back on page 2, there was no mindlink between Nine and Ten until Ten deliberately shared his memories.
Or at least the ‘current’ Doctor has to make that decision. Once the network is up, the previous incarnations may connect automatically. (In other words, the other Doctors recognize each other because Ten did the memory-sharing thing.)
February 26th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
I wonder what would happen if the 11th Doctor quickly slipped through this comic, would he remember the events and be able to share them with the other Doctors, thing is, by captain shades theory, the Doctor would never acknowledge anything that happened to him until he was in his 13th incarnation.
February 26th, 2008 at 1:13 pm
My theory: Whatever point we’re at in the Doctor’s personal timeline, future Doctors only exist as potential. Past Doctors can be pulled out of time and brought to his ‘present’ in an emergency,
That’s why the Time Lords could only summon three Doctors to stop Omega, and why Borusa could only (try to) pull five Doctors into the Death Zone. That’s why we never see future Doctors during these get-togethers.
Otherwise, both occasions (and this one, most likely) would have probably involved all thirteen.
February 26th, 2008 at 1:40 pm
*following on from JustAWanderer’s Comment*
and the writers wouldn’t know who the next Dr would be, though they sort of had the 13th Doctor when they featured the Valeyard in The Trial Of A Time Lord.
But since the Doctor goes from the Big Bang to the Big Crunch as quickly as we would drive to the shop (not me though, I’m not old enough to drive.) whilst Gallifrey stays still in time, there would be no knowing which Doctor was the current one, unless as 10 mentioned in page 44, Tardis internal time is relative to Gallifrey’s present at all times, they could use that to even up the timelines at the right point.
I think that just about wraps it up.
February 26th, 2008 at 6:43 pm
Yes, whenever multiple Doctors meet, the memory tends to evolve over the adventure, and usually is not remembered completely by the next regeneration till after the oldest one completes the adventure. When multiple Doctors get together again, they then remember the last time they worked together and so on. Ten remembering 5’s adventure from the begining is more an exception than the rule (possilby having something to do with why 5 looked older
) but since every time there is more than one Doctor it is a result of an abberation in temporal physics (deliberate or accidental), we can take it that not every abberation is going to have the same result.
I hope that’s clear, because now I get back to the more enjoyably confusing explaination:
Rich is going with the more traditional way, that no one remembers things because they technically havent happened yet, even if someone is older than the first time they were there when it hadn’t happened yet.
I just like saying it that way.
Also, since the companions in the 5 Doctors were all older and had lives without the Doctor for a while, there would be no reason to erase thier memories as they were returned home. (Except Romona and she was a Time Lord already) What would it matter if they remembered having one more adventure with the Doctor years after they left him? Susan spent several decades on her own, The Brigadier was visiting UNIT after he retired, Sarah Jane Smith was taken years after the Doctor abandoned her, etc. The Doctor being president and all, for the moment, certainly wouldnt let the Time Lords dictate terms to him this time, and made sure all his companions were hustled out of there in a hurry. Just my take on things.
February 26th, 2008 at 6:45 pm
Also, Rich, dont be embarassed about the vent shaft…when it’s colorized that will be clear.
February 27th, 2008 at 12:18 pm
Leave it to post-modern Daleks to make their vent shafts transparent!
February 27th, 2008 at 12:31 pm
I always thought that when the previous Doctors were pulled out of their time-streams, the current Doctor basically “lost” them (seemed to happen in 5 Doctors, anyway,) meaning that he couldn’t remember being them. That would explain why all the Doctors in that story were surprised that Borusa was behind the whole thing. Of course, that doesn’t hold up in “Time Crash.” I guess 10 only did remember being 5 because they were in the TARDIS…
Eh, I like Shade’s theory better.
February 27th, 2008 at 12:59 pm
Ah, but in the two Doctors and Time Crash, there was no summouning or pulling out of time lines, both Doctors arrived in the Tardis, they were both still inside their own time lines, so there would be no losing himself at all, and the other Doctor would remember it fromthe previous times, that explains Time Crash, although 6 not remembering 2 in The Two Doctors could have something ton do with him having been turned into an Amdragon (if that’s the right spelling, which I doubt it is) or the Memory wipe later in the War Games, which may have for some reason erased those events. So basicly if they are taken out of their time they do not remember, but if they arrive in the Tardis they are still in their real timelines, therefore they do remember the events.
February 27th, 2008 at 1:37 pm
Renegade…. The Second Doctor was ‘drugged’ at one point and it was mentioned that the drug plays havoc with the memory. Thus a succinct end-run around the “Six should remember….” paradox. Being turned into an Androgum, I think, had nothing to do with it.
February 27th, 2008 at 1:48 pm
It might have had something to do with it Gnome, as he did partially change species, thing is, 6 should have been instantly affected, before any episodes after this point in 2’s timeline happened, it would have already long since happened to him. Then again 2 was cured which may explain why it took so long.
February 27th, 2008 at 7:16 pm
Haven’t seen the 2 Doctors, but the amnesia drug theory works for me.
Here’s an explanation for 10’s memories in “Time Crash” that fits my theory:
In both the 3 Doctors and the 5 Doctors, every single doctor between the 1st and the current Doctor was pulled out of their timestream. This meant that the current Doctor had only his memories and experiences to draw on. However, in “Time Crash,” 10 still had 6-9’s memories, and therefore could have remembered remembering being 5. If that makes any sense.
February 27th, 2008 at 8:18 pm
You mean that there are no Doctors “in between” the two messing things up memory wise? That has the ring of truth to it.
My pet theory (and we’ve all got ‘em) is that the doctors in “the 3 Doctors” or “the 5 Doctors” don’t remember what happened because hey we’re pulled out of their timestream by someone else and artificially “patched” into the current Doctor’s frame of relative time. It’s sort of AU in a way.They don’t remember it happening because it sort of didn’t happen until just now. I picture it with the folded cloth metaphor. The cloth is pleated to create a section that we can’t see but is still there and still happened. It created a sort of pocket reality (am I mixing my clothing analogies today or what?) that kept the Doctors from experiencing the nasty side effects of meeting oneself.
Time Crash is different. The meeting was an accident. The timelines directly overlap each other without protection. This creates some issues like the aging of Five and the ten-minutes-to-Belgium scenario, but it allows Five to keep his memories of the experience.
I have no idea what the setup for “the 2 Doctors” is, but then the season 6b theory starts kicking in when you talk about that story, and that’s just a whole other ball of wax.
Rich’s story seems to be more of a “5 Doctors” setup, with everyone meeting through deliberate manipulation (it’d be hard to have all ten show up at the same point in space-time by accident), so that’s why they don’t remember.
I’m not bothered by lack of an update. Not at all. *pickpickpickpickpick*
February 28th, 2008 at 7:01 am
scarf use 25:eating it if you are are hungry and starving on a lifeless planet.
26:locking people in rooms by tieing it round a door handle.
27:pulling a chair out from under someone when they sit down.
28:gagging geek-freaks……wait umf
April 21st, 2008 at 11:33 pm
scarf use
29) shield your gaze from the ravenous bugblatter beast of traal: a creature who is so amazingly stupi that it believes if you can’t see it, it can’t see you. dumb as a brush but very, very ravenous.
yes i know it’s from hitchhikers guide but i couldn’t resist