November 16th, 2007
The 10 Doctors: Page 62
Jamie and Sarah Jane gather up Romana and make for the nearest exit.
Meanwhile the Cybermen and the Rani betray eachother, and as the Rani makes her escape via transmat beam, white Daleks beam in and threaten the Cybermen!
November 16th, 2007 at 8:19 am
Just read all of these, simply fan-tas-tic!
can’t wait for more
November 16th, 2007 at 10:38 am
“The lindos hormone”? Heh. Been reading “The Twin Dilemma” novelisation?
November 16th, 2007 at 11:03 am
The hospital…?
I wonder if they’ll meet… nah. That’d be too much of a coincidence, surely.
November 16th, 2007 at 11:30 am
You know, you never wonder how heavy K9 really is. LOL I know they had a few different mockups…one that worked, one with the innards removed so they could carry it around, etc. Hehehe.
November 16th, 2007 at 2:15 pm
It’s “Doomsday” all over again. Or for the…first time? AUGH! Time travel so confusing!
November 16th, 2007 at 2:27 pm
wOOOOOt!!!! Daleks vs. Cyberman take two… ahh one… no wait… 1 and a half… oh bloody hell nevermind!
There are one or two hospitals with experence in Timelord physiology. Heh, heh.
November 16th, 2007 at 2:48 pm
These Daleks are white. That might be an important plot point in the story.
November 16th, 2007 at 3:42 pm
Looks like we get to find out why Ten went to that hospital in the first place.
November 16th, 2007 at 3:49 pm
So where did the other companions go?
November 16th, 2007 at 5:12 pm
We gonna get to see some pest control!
November 16th, 2007 at 5:29 pm
So the Imperial Daleks are working with The Rani, and the Renegade Daleks are working with The Valeyard (Keeper), and the Sontarans are working with The Master oh… my head hurts! This is more complicated than all that stuff that started WWI.
November 16th, 2007 at 5:37 pm
Since when was the Valeyard involved in anything? Rich never said that.
November 16th, 2007 at 5:48 pm
Based on what the Daleks said about the Sixth Doctor and his resemblance to the Keeper, and certain theories about the Valeyard, it seems a reasonable deduction to me.
November 16th, 2007 at 5:49 pm
Page 33, Page 51, and the end of Trial of a Timelord part 14 (or The Ultimate Foe part 2 if you like).
Page 33 reestablishes The Keeper of the Matrix. Doctor #8 sort of recognizes him but not quite.
The end of Trial of a Timelord, [Sep - Dec 1986] established that the Valeyard is posing as The Keeper.
Page 51 establishes that the renegade Daleks are working with The Keeper.
November 16th, 2007 at 5:57 pm
But Rich never said that.
November 16th, 2007 at 5:59 pm
as EML said, just a simple deduction. Rich said he was working from TV canon didn’t he?
November 16th, 2007 at 6:20 pm
Yeah, I also found myself wondering about K9’s heaviness, there… I always had the impression he was too heavy to carry like that. But for dramatic reasons, Sarah obviously needed to carry him like that. And maybe he’s been carried around in the actual show, and I’m just not rememebering it.
November 16th, 2007 at 7:01 pm
If we do meet Martha at the hospital, remember (at least so far) this all takes place *before* 10 met her….or at least right now in 10’s personal timeline, he hasn’t met her yet.
November 16th, 2007 at 9:13 pm
Hee hee…
Ah, speculation.
And Ursula, as for K9’s heaviness…Lisa’s right. There were several versions in the show. Once in a while you could see him being carried around like he was hollow and made of balsa wood! Heheheheh…. I remember seeing Romana carrying him like that at one point. So this was a little tip of the hat to K9-Mass-Convenience-Playhouse.
November 16th, 2007 at 9:41 pm
Rich! RichRichRich! Didja see Children in Need? Didjadidjadidja?? Oh, it was marvelous! Quirky and exciting and funny and even a bit tearjearking, with more shiny new Doctorisms and quotes than you could shake a Sonic Screwdriver at! Oh, what fun!! …Actually, it was a little like your comic, come to think of it.
November 16th, 2007 at 10:18 pm
I did, Joe, I did I did I did!
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
(thanks to your prompt message, my wife managed to snag it for me and we watched together! Thank you!)
I called it! I called it! I *knew* the 10th would like the 5th I just KNEW IT!
November 16th, 2007 at 10:20 pm
Oh, I wasn’t quite undertsanding that Lisa meant they carried him around on the show… I thought she meant they had a lighter one so that the show’s crew could easily carry him around.
I don’t remember him ever confronting stairs or ladders. I wonder if he can fly, Dalek-style..?
November 16th, 2007 at 10:23 pm
No! No flying K9! They did that to R2. Not K9! No!
Heheheh
Generally someone picked him up when necessary. The Doctor left him drifting around in a boat at one point… that was pretty fun. You could hear this sad, pathetic voice calling out over the water… “Master! Master!” (”The Androids of Tara”)
November 16th, 2007 at 10:31 pm
ooh, children in need episode, is that the one with five and ten? i’ll have to search youtube for it, see if it’s shown up, damn the fact we don’t get to see such things!!!
and daleks versus cybermen again!, niiiice, only this time with cybermen from mondas! Woot! (hope i got that right, im a little scratchy)
November 16th, 2007 at 10:33 pm
Romana was a TimeLady, and while galafreyans dont go on about it, they are actually a bit stronger than humans. Romana has been seen carrying K-9 and easily rolling boulders as if they were …um, styrophome, or something Amazing, no?
But they were a bit fast and loose with K-9s weight, as they tried to manage a difficult prop
November 16th, 2007 at 10:33 pm
Yep, you got it right!
Mondas was their original home planet. Then some of them decaped to Telos when Mondas when kablooy.
And yes, the CiN special was awsome. I live in Canada and we didn’t get it up here on TV either. I won’t publically admit to where I saw it just now.
November 16th, 2007 at 10:34 pm
Not just Romana, though. The mercenaries in “Meglos” hauled him about like paper as well.
November 16th, 2007 at 10:49 pm
It’s up on bittorrent. I don’t wan’t to spoil it for those who haven’t seen it.
Heh, heh, heh, desktop theme!
November 16th, 2007 at 11:09 pm
Thenkew, thenkew, glad to be of assistance! And yes, you so called it, those two got on like a house on fire.
Hmm… I guess we could say, for the comic, that the Time Crash happened in Five’s past and in Ten’s future. Then no wonder Five called him “old boy” when he showed up… by his perspective, they’d already met once before!
November 16th, 2007 at 11:15 pm
Your right Joe! Good job Rich, your still in canon!
November 16th, 2007 at 11:19 pm
*Scratches head*
Well…. not to be too pedantic.
Oh, who am I kidding… I’m a nerd among nerds…
See, I kinda see this 5th Doctor as a sort of alternate reality version. He’s older looking and isn’t mortified by the state of the TARDIS.. He just goes about his business on it even though it looks NOTHING LIKE he had it back then before or after he upgraded it. Sure, he comments on it a bit but you’d think that a change like that would be immediately startling. I’ll have to listen to the dialogue more carefully at some point…
If the 2nd Doctor has an alternate season, maybe there’s somewhere where the 5th could have, too.
One of the interesting ideas for the Doctor Who movie they were going to make (before the Fox film was dreamed up) was to have Tom Baker as the Doctor after some strange time distortion caused him NOT to regenerate in “Logopolis” and he just continued and got older. The story involved him having to fix the anomaly… or something. This looks very much like a 5th Doctor who didn’t die of Spectrox Toxemia in “The Caves of Androzani”…
I should shut up, shouldn’t I? It’s the 5th Doctor from between episodes in the show.
Your theory works better. Thanks Joe. I like your take on it.
November 16th, 2007 at 11:25 pm
Doctor Who 2007 Children in Need Special “Time Crash”, David Tennant and Peter Davidson. Intro by John Barrowman
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22-J4rm7trc
November 16th, 2007 at 11:32 pm
Thanks DrkFire!
November 16th, 2007 at 11:52 pm
Oh, scratch my comments about the alternate universe 5th Doctor. Just read a brief transcript. The 5th Doctor looks older because of a shorted out “time differential”… similar to the Blinovitch Limitation Effect, I guess. Nice explanation!
November 16th, 2007 at 11:58 pm
Not Romana! Say it isn’t so,Rich!
Slight aside: DrkFire-THANKYOUTHANKYOUTHANKYOU!!!!!! You made this American fangirl very very happy!
November 17th, 2007 at 12:01 am
“It isnt so, Rich”
Did that help PD?
November 17th, 2007 at 12:51 am
Just wanted to let you know how much of a kick I am getting out of this work of yours. You have a very evocative art style and are very adept at capturing the characters’ personalities with just a few well chosen words. I hope you are able to continue and finish this work and can pull these interesting threads together.
I am sure we will be hearing a lot more from you in the future.
November 17th, 2007 at 1:18 am
Rich, I hope I words this rightly. I really just want to convey how much your work means to a crazed fan like me.
I saw the CIN special, and LOVED it…but all the time I was just thinking: “Rich’s Comic is better, though…its got EVERYONE!”
All aside, though…GOSH wasn’t that special Fantastic?!
November 17th, 2007 at 1:46 am
Rich’s comic is so much better. But I loved the comparison. Ten was a big fan of Five.
Was it just me or did Five seem awful short and angry-ish in the episode? Towards the beginning? He seemed very un-Five-ish. Everything else was brilliant though. Especially the explanation for the slightly-older Five look.
As for this story, very nice. It continues to grow and branch off in half a billion directions. It’s like watching nine different episodes plots all merge and mix together. I have to re-read every so often to keep on track.
November 17th, 2007 at 6:39 am
Thank you thank you thank you!
I have always wanted to be a part of the thing that is Doctor Who. I had visions of myself playing him when I got into drama (would they ever cast a Canadian, thought I, they’ve got a Scotsman [or two] in there!). To work in the design department would have been a second favorite post. A writer? Well, I’m not much of a writer, unless I can do it this way. Storyboard/comic style.
Well, as I get older and the idea becomes less and less practical, at least I’ve done THIS thing. A huge, unweildy THING.
Yeah, the special was FANTASTIC! And it does my geek heart good to know that my projected concept for the relationsihp between the 5th & 10th Doctors was pretty much dead on! Such validation!
You’re right, Inutaisho, the 5th Doctor did seem a bit angry-ish at the beginning, but it’s not totally out of character. When in times of stress and the TARDIS is in danger of blowing up, he did get a bit abrupt. But he softened right down when the crisis was over.
November 17th, 2007 at 6:49 am
This is absolutely BRILLIANT!! Please, please don’t stop now, I am completely and utterly hooked!!!
November 17th, 2007 at 7:03 am
I have no intention of stopping, Karanadon. At least not until it’s finished.
November 17th, 2007 at 9:45 am
I’m thinking that the doctor in charge will be on transfer from San Fransico - a little bit of Amazing Grace. Basically, we can’t have Martha as it is before her time with the Doc, as I recall, but Grace could be there.
BTW, brilliant comic. I am always on the look out for the next page. Keep up the good work.
November 17th, 2007 at 10:27 am
Okay fine, commenting:
Furelli said: “Basically, we can’t have Martha as it is before her time with the Doc, as I recall, but Grace could be there.”
Actually, you could have Martha in the hospital, as she would be encountering companions, not the Doctor. And in “Smith and Jones” she mentions the Cybermen invasion (her oddly identical cousin died in it after all)… if someone ran in and said, “This woman’s been shot by a Cyberman!” she’d know what they were talking about. The only trick would be if she heard Romana’s hearts-beat, she’d then therefore not necessarily be surprised by the Doctor’s in the future… but then, this story involves time being broken anyway…
Other possibilities could be Owen or Tosh (a la “Aliens of London”) from Torchwood.
And yes, of course Grace, as a visitic medical expert. Perhaps a number of them.
Or, we could just have a plain old boring NPC …. if they get to the hospital at all….
November 17th, 2007 at 2:31 pm
Rich, buddy, you gotta include the Brig and the UNIT guys. C’mon!
November 17th, 2007 at 2:38 pm
Hunh! I ain’t gotta do nuttin’!
On the other hand… keep on reading!
November 17th, 2007 at 4:45 pm
Rich, just noticed something on the CIN special.
Doctor #5s line at the end, “I’m very welcome”. It’s a bit like your #5 line “That’s the nicest thing I’ve ever said to me.” It is just the sort of thing 5 would say!
November 17th, 2007 at 5:03 pm
Heheh…
Well, not just the 5th, I think. It’s a typical “Doctor” thing to say.
—–The Five Doctors——
Sarah Jane Smith (Shaking the 5th Doctor’s hand): “Well it was very nice meeting you.”
3rd Doctor: “Thank you Sarah Jane. It was nice meeting you too.”
2nd Doctor (contacting the 5th Doctor): “Ah there I am -I mean, there you are.”
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—-The Two Doctors———
6th Doctor: “Your Doctor is an antidiluvian fogey, Jamie - letting himself fall into the hands of the Sontarans! If anything happens to myself as a result, I’ll never forgive himself!”
Peri: “I wish you’d stop switching personal pronouns, Doctor.”
6th Doctor (to Jamie after he suggests tackling the men guarding the 2nd Doctor): “… it looks as though I’m under an anesthetic, so I’m in no condition to help me, is he?”
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I was just lucky that they got Peter Davison to do that episode really. Though I’m thrilled that our 10/5 relationships were compatible.
November 17th, 2007 at 5:16 pm
Hehehe!
November 17th, 2007 at 5:39 pm
Oh, please oh please, not Grace.
I cannot understand how a woman with such poor deductive reasoning skills made it through medical school.
November 17th, 2007 at 6:53 pm
Well, if UNIT is on the way, perhaps Harry would be involved. He’s a qualified medical doctor, isn’t he?
Harry: No, Doctor, I’M the doctor.
4: You may be A doctor, but I am THE Doctor. The definite article you might say.
November 17th, 2007 at 7:09 pm
The Doc’s got some great lines, doesn’t he? (In some cases these quotes are paraphrased, since I don’t have the episodes cued up to review and I’m doing it by memory alone)
“I might be any number of things, young lady. As it happens, I’m the Doctor. The ORIGINAL, you might say.” -The 1st Doctor
Right after regeneration are when some of my favorite moments and lines occur.
“As it happens, I AM the Doctor. Whether you like it or not.” -The 6th Doctor
“That’s the trouble with regeneration. You never quite know what you’re going to get.” -The 5th Doctor
“How d’you do, I’m the Doctor… at least I will be once this regeneration settles in.” -The 5th Doctor
“Tell me, young man. What would YOU do if you were me, hmm? Question is.. what would I do? Heh heh…” -The 5th Doctor exhibiting the 1st Doctor’s persona.
“Perhaps this is my new persona. Sulky. Bad tempered. Think of how I treated you earlier….
You don’t understand regeneration, Mel. It’s a lottery, and I’ve drawn a SHORT plank.” -the 7th Doctor
“A noble brow! Clear gaze -at least it wil be after a few hours sleep. Strong mouth, eyes bristling with intelligence, my dear girl what on earth are you complaining about. In every way a vast improvement.” -the 6th Doctor examining his new self in a mirror.
November 17th, 2007 at 7:11 pm
I saw the episode on CiN!
Wow! DESKTOP THEME and decorative vegetables!
W00000000000t!
……..This is why I love this show.
November 17th, 2007 at 11:17 pm
I don’t know why so many people disliked Grace. I thought she made an alright companion, while she lasted.
November 17th, 2007 at 11:19 pm
Wounderful
Fantastic
Great
Marvolus
Awsome
Superbe
“Go K9!” WOOP WOOP.
Is this an american website? just want to know cause, im from Australia.
November 18th, 2007 at 2:01 am
Rich, your in Canada yeah?
November 18th, 2007 at 4:27 am
Actually the easiest way to include Martha is to have the companions run into her Post-”Last of the Time Lords”, just don’t have her run into any of the Doctors and you’re golden.
November 18th, 2007 at 8:58 am
Yup! I’m a Canadian!
November 18th, 2007 at 3:20 pm
People just were shocked by the kiss, back then, Fans were not ready for it. I thought Grace was great - plus she was a top sugeon that left the SF hospital in 2000, 8th Doctor implied she had somthing important to do in the future.. but Owen? please no - he’s a hack that stumbled into Torchwood (till someday Jack comes to his senses and dumps him.. tho I personally hope he’s merely killed and an alien replaces him in his body, bcs I have nothing against the actor, seems lively ..but the character as written is slime and not that good in his chosen field)
…um - IMHO, I should add
._. Mreen’s innocent face
November 18th, 2007 at 5:22 pm
“People just were shocked by the kiss, back then, Fans were not ready for it.”
*puts on crotchety old cermudgeon face on*
Because it was out of place, out of character, and pointless.
Otherwise, I quite liked the Fox film. There were little niggly thigns that the novelization cleared up.
ie: It’s not a friggin’ CLOAKING DEVICE… it’s a CHAMELEON CIRCUIT.
The Eye of Harmony is not in the Doctor’s TARDIS. It’s on Gallifrey. The thing in the Doctor’s TARDIS being a reflector/focusser of the EoH’s power, I could accept.
Why would the Daleks happily agree to letting the Doctor prance onto Skaro and collect the Master’s corpse? In the novel he got a telepathic message from the Master and had to sneak onto Skaro to get his remains. No prob.
(And for those who were shocked by the Daleks holding court in the first place, it happens in “Revelation of the Daleks”, too.)
In the book the Master and Lee see ALL of the Doctor’s past incarnations, not just the 7th.
Then there’s the whole “Half Human” thing that the book couldn’t fix. *sigh* I’m not all that thrilled with the idea, but I wouldn’t be devastated if it turned out to be new continuity.
November 19th, 2007 at 9:37 pm
There’s a lot going on in this installation… thanks for the recap below
April 16th, 2008 at 2:27 pm
I just watched the CiN special. It was amazing. Brilliant! or, as nine would say, fanTAStic. I watched it twice. I realized how much I really, really like Peter Davison.